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Tumbleweed



Joined: 17 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:07 am    Post subject: Too easy to get hired? Reply with quote

Hey everyone!

So yeah. I'm new and all that- and, based on some accounts of some of my friends, I've decided to look into teaching in Korea.

So about, oh, two weeks ago, I shot off a quick resume to a recruiter for the Avalon school they're building in Pohang. We exchange some e-mails, and the recruiter finally called me Tuesday night.

Now, I thought this was going to be an interview call- though what it really boiled down to was the recruiter asking me if I wanted the job or not. Huh. I told her I'd need a week or so to think about it, but she didn't seem too thrilled with that.

Now, I can't help but feel the whole application experience was, I dunno, too easy? Or does the process usually work like this? Exchange a resume, a couple of e-mails, and then BOOM, hired?

I'm not sure if I'm gonna take this job, though- I mean, it sorta fits my schedule, but at the same time, I think I may wait 'til some other openings pop up that do the same.

So yeah, any wisdom you have to offer will be appreciated. Thanks!
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recruiters just sell you to a school so they don't ask a lot of questions. If you get hired directly through a school they will be more likely to ask you about your teaching style and beliefs, but again that is not always.

Pretty much for newbies, you are all the same. As long as you breathe and want the job you are hired. That again is another reason why so many newbs complain about teaching in Korea.
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Cayne



Joined: 14 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really have any wisdom to offer since I'm new to this whole process myself, but I had my first Hagwon interview last night and it was an interesting experience.

I originally applied to GEPIK through Korvia, but after only getting one interview with a public school and seeing what an overcrowded mess the application process has been decided to look at other options.

The public school interview was a little odd, but still felt like a real interview. The fellow I spoke with just seemed harried, and little rushed like he had tons more interviews to do. He'd ask me a question, I'd start to answer and he'd cut me off and ask another question, but I thought the questions were pretty revealing about the school, definitely not trying to sell me a position, and mostly reasonable things to ask. After speaking to him, if I had been offered the position I probably would have taken it.

Now last night's Hagwon interview, that was something else entirely. I've read plenty of accounts here of what they tend to be like, but it really didn't entirely prepare me for it. A couple softball questions, and then when can you start, what do think of the job, we really need you to start as soon as possible, so will you take it? It really felt like begging, and I've never been begged to take a job before. Of course when I wanted to ask some questions they suddenly wanted to get off the phone, the more questions, the more they seemed to want to escape. All in all the whole experience didn't leave me feeling very confident. Of course I should have expected as much when the recruiter initially asked me what I would think if they would hire me without an interview. Anyway it was a learning experience if nothing else.
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curiousaboutkorea



Joined: 21 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Too easy to get hired? Reply with quote

Tumbleweed wrote:
Hey everyone!

So yeah. I'm new and all that- and, based on some accounts of some of my friends, I've decided to look into teaching in Korea.

So about, oh, two weeks ago, I shot off a quick resume to a recruiter for the Avalon school they're building in Pohang. We exchange some e-mails, and the recruiter finally called me Tuesday night.

Now, I thought this was going to be an interview call- though what it really boiled down to was the recruiter asking me if I wanted the job or not. Huh. I told her I'd need a week or so to think about it, but she didn't seem too thrilled with that.

Now, I can't help but feel the whole application experience was, I dunno, too easy? Or does the process usually work like this? Exchange a resume, a couple of e-mails, and then BOOM, hired?

I'm not sure if I'm gonna take this job, though- I mean, it sorta fits my schedule, but at the same time, I think I may wait 'til some other openings pop up that do the same.

So yeah, any wisdom you have to offer will be appreciated. Thanks!


Pohang, eh? Hope you like fish markets.

This seems to be fairly standard (at least in my limited experience) for hagwons. I've had times when the recruiter set up an interview. Then, the school called me and asked if I had any questions about the school. They would answer and the phone call would end (without them asking me any questions). Later that day the recruiter would ask me in an e-mail how the interview went. The next day the recruiter would send an e-mail telling me that the school wants to know when i can start. Happened time and time again (I was rejecting lots of offers).
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Oliver



Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, anyone with a degree or what not could get hired in korea.

The trick is getting somewhere good. That can be difficult if you don't invest the time and money to come here and seek out a quality position for yourself.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is easy to get a job. Yes, it is easy to lose a job. Yes, it is easy to get another job. Yes, yes, yes.

You want it difficult for some reason? Laughing
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Altair4000



Joined: 10 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fish Markets LOL! I was thinking the same thing when I read Pohang. I went to this town once when I was visiting some people in Daegu, they took me for the fish. The fish was good the town was...a small Korean town (I worked in Japan at this time and the town was really dirty and broken down in comparison to what I was used to in Japan).

My friend and I have been looking at working in Korea too and we have had a few of these interviews. I think these interviews are pretty funny and they obviously don't care who they hire they just need someone.

So yeah offering a job without an interview this is a big warning sign, the agents will just place us where ever, they just want to get paid. I have even talked to a few school owners and so far kind of the same thing. They ask when I can come and they usually want me to start the day or next day after I get off the plane, and I really don't think they even looked at my resume (I have been thinking of adding a weird line in somewhere to see if they catch it but this might alienate legit people). Anyhow, we have been turning these down flat since we're in no desperate hurry to get there; just bored with life here. If we find a place that seems cool we will make the plunge otherwise I will go to some other country or even stay here get a mortgage and get fat.

Anyhow, best of luck to you.
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onlyinkorea87



Joined: 16 Feb 2010
Location: Gimhae

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recruiters shove jobs in your face because they want to get one thing from you coming to Korea: their commission. It's all about the $$$. That's why next year I'm applying straight to the schools.
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Cayne



Joined: 14 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much money does a recruiter typically make when they place someone anyway?
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SanchoPanza



Joined: 10 Jan 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course it was easy to find a job in Pohang. Pohang is the sticks.
Finding jobs outside of Seoul is no problem. Most people, foreigners
and Koreans included, want to live in Seoul.

In fact it is so bad in these places that the men who live there have to
import women from S.E. Asian countries. The local women hightail it
to Seoul at the first opportunity.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cayne wrote:
How much money does a recruiter typically make when they place someone anyway?


It varies but typically it's around a million or more. Depends if the recruiter has an "arrangement" with those particular schools or is just working more or less freelance. It also depends on the teacher. If you are young. blonde, female and pretty you can command a higher premium than some 40 year old dark haired male (all other things being equal).
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Cayne wrote:
How much money does a recruiter typically make when they place someone anyway?


It varies but typically it's around a million or more. Depends if the recruiter has an "arrangement" with those particular schools or is just working more or less freelance. It also depends on the teacher. If you are young. blonde, female and pretty you can command a higher premium than some 40 year old dark haired male (all other things being equal).


I've known some schools that paid up to 1.5million Won. I haven't asked a lot but of those I HAVE asked, 1.0 to 1.3 million seems common.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Altair4000 wrote:
(I worked in Japan at this time and the town was really dirty and broken down in comparison to what I was used to in Japan).


Most of Korea is "dirty and broken down" compared to Japan. Go to China and things THERE will seem dirty and broken down compared with Korea.


Altair4000 wrote:

and I really don't think they even looked at my resume (I have been thinking of adding a weird line in somewhere to see if they catch it but this might alienate legit people).


I knew a guy who submitted a resume that had several weird things on it (mixed among regular things) and still got recruiters calling to offer him jobs. I think he put on stuff like

Skills:
-Group participant
-Telephone note taking: intermediate level
-Alcohol consumption techniques: advanced level
-Driving licence

Some of the jobs were weird as well, like without directly saying it, implying that he'd been a gigolo or that he'd been a grasshopper farmer, and stuff like that.

Basically the recruiters look to see the following: nationality, age, sex (which they can also get from your passport info page), do you have a BA?, do you have the CRC? and the photo. If you leave off one of those things, they'll ask you.
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Altair4000



Joined: 10 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I knew a guy who submitted a resume that had several weird things on it (mixed among regular things) and still got recruiters calling to offer him jobs. I think he put on stuff like

Skills:
-Group participant
-Telephone note taking: intermediate level
-Alcohol consumption techniques: advanced level
-Driving licence

Some of the jobs were weird as well, like without directly saying it, implying that he'd been a gigolo or that he'd been a grasshopper farmer, and stuff like that.


LOL! That is hilarious!



Quote:
Go to China and things THERE will seem dirty and broken down compared with Korea.


True, very true, I have been there and yes much more broken down and dirty. I think Korea affected me so much though cause at the time all the Koreans I met were all "Korea is more beautiful than Japan" or "Tokyo is ok but Seoul is better" and so on. So I went into Korea expecting Japan but even more clean and modern but the real truth scared me to this day, lol. (In all seriousness though some places they took me were really cool)
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SweetTea



Joined: 14 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avalon franchise or Avalon company-owned? If it is Avalon company-owned you will not have any problems with late pay or getting ripped off. I don't know anything about Pohang but I think it's famous for steel because they have a soccer team called the Pohang Steelers.
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