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RP wins CPAC Straw Poll

 
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: RP wins CPAC Straw Poll Reply with quote

"That didn't please the crowd in the ballroom as the results were announced -- the room booed loudly, and cheered wildly for Romney, Palin, Pawlenty and pretty much anyone who wasn't Paul."

http://www.salon.com/news/cpac/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/feature/2010/02/20/straw_poll_results

For those who want to know:
"The libertarian hero -- whose faithful followers packed the hall for most of the conservative conference's three days -- took 31 percent of the vote. Mitt Romney, who had won the last three straw polls in a row, came in second, with 22 percent. Sarah Palin, who didn't show up to speak here, was third, with 7 percent. Tim Pawlenty -- who did show up -- was just behind her, at 6 percent. So was "undecided," which also got 6 percent. The other runners-up: Newt Gingrich, 4 percent; Mike Huckabee, 4 percent; Mitch Daniels, 2 percent; Rick Santorum, 2 percent; John Thune, 1 percent; Haley Barbour, 1 percent; write-in, 5 percent."
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was supposed to win in 2008. He is getting up in age, and by 2012 it may be too late to save the country from default/hyperinflation.

Maybe Rand can help.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He was supposed to win in 2008.


Are you saying the international banking conspiracy lost control of the election?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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He was supposed to win in 2008.


Are you saying the international banking conspiracy lost control of the election?

Lost control how? The "international banking conspiracy" got Obama installed as president.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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He was supposed to win in 2008.


Are you saying the international banking conspiracy lost control of the election?

Lost control how? The "international banking conspiracy" got Obama installed as president.

Really! Ron Paul is the last person the "IBC" would have wanted in there.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff. So there are Americans who are ant-war/torture/assassinations and in favor of the Republic being financially viable in the long run.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greenwald:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2010/02/21/libertarianism/index.html
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The GOP's "small government" tea party fraud
By Glenn Greenwald

There's a major political fraud underway: the GOP is once against donning their libertarian, limited-government masks in order to re-invent itself and, more important, to co-opt the energy and passion of the Ron-Paul-faction that spawned and sustains the "tea party" movement. The Party that spat contempt at Paul during the Bush years and was diametrically opposed to most of his platform now pretends to share his views. Standard-issue Republicans and Ron Paul libertarians are as incompatible as two factions can be -- recall that the most celebrated right-wing moment of the 2008 presidential campaign was when Rudy Giuliani all but accused Paul of being an America-hating Terrorist-lover for daring to suggest that America's conduct might contribute to Islamic radicalism -- yet the Republicans, aided by the media, are pretending that this is one unified, harmonious, "small government" political movement.

The Right is petrified that this fraud will be exposed and is thus bending over backwards to sustain the myth. Paul was not only invited to be a featured speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference but also won its presidential straw poll.

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But that GOP limited government rhetoric is simply never matched by that Party's conduct, especially when they wield power. The very idea that a political party dominated by neocons, warmongers, surveillance fetishists, and privacy-hating social conservatives will be a party of "limited government" is absurd on its face. There literally is no myth more transparent than the Republican Party's claim to believe in restrained government power. For that reason, it's only a matter of time before the fundamental incompatibility of the "tea party movement" and the political party cynically exploiting it is exposed.


The whole thing is a very good summary of the split in the GOP and is, as usual, a very fair treatment of all involved by Greenwald.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron Paul Only Hope to Prevent U.S. Hyperinflation

The National Inflation Association is thrilled that Congressman Ron Paul won this past weekend's annual straw poll of CPAC members. While the mainstream media was quick to dismiss the straw poll results, there were 2,395 ballots cast in the straw poll, a CPAC record. The avalanche of articles coming out today in an attempt to discredit Ron Paul's heroic efforts in Washington show the ignorance of the mainstream media, which has lost touch with the educated American public.

One of NIA's top 10 predictions for 2010 was that we would see a move this year towards a Libertarian third-party. Although Ron Paul is a Republican, he is a true Libertarian at heart. Ron Paul's win at CPAC demonstrates that the Libertarian movement is beginning and NIA members are at the forefront. By helping spread the word about our documentary 'The Dollar Bubble', which has now surpassed 510,000 views in less than three months, NIA members have done more to educate the American public about the real crisis ahead than all mainstream media outlets combined.

We have one Congressman in Washington today, Ron Paul, who understands that inflation is the biggest threat to our economy and how the Federal Reserve and our fiat money system is the root cause of all our economic problems. The Federal Reserve's manipulation of interest rates create the booms and busts, which transfer wealth from the middle class to the rich, while taking away our liberties and freedoms. Without the Federal Reserve, Washington would be forced to live within its means and all Americans would enjoy a higher standard of living. Unfortunately, the worse the U.S. economy gets, the more money the U.S. government spends. Americans will soon feel the pain of our deficit spending as massive inflation begins to take hold. The need to elect Ron Paul as President will soon become evident to all.

The only way it will be possible for us to prevent hyperinflation from occurring in the U.S. is to replace most people in Washington today with newly elected representatives who will act immediately to dramatically cut government spending in every way possible. Besides electing Ron Paul as President, we need to elect Peter Schiff and Rand Paul to the U.S. Senate, and support other politicians who believe in our cause. NIA is pleased to see that Sarah Palin has now endorsed Rand Paul in the Kentucky Senate Race; hopefully she will support Ron Paul for President as well.

President Obama has been deceiving the American public by not allowing Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac's $6.3 trillion in debt to be on the U.S. government's balance sheet and is now trying to redefine a balanced budget as to exclude interest payments on our national debt. With interest rates at their lowest levels possible, interest payments on our national debt are guaranteed to rapidly increase in the years ahead. Eventually, they are likely to rise to a level where more than half of the government's tax receipts go towards paying the interest on our national debt.

In 2010, it is estimated that about 40% of the U.S. government's tax receipts will be spent on defense. The U.S. military empire now consists of 700 military bases in 140 countries around the world. Although NIA believes the defense of our country should be the primary responsibility of the U.S. government, our defense spending is now almost as much as the rest of the world combined. Obama's proposal for a three year U.S. government spending freeze beginning in 2011 is irrelevant because it excludes defense spending. The more we spend on perpetual wars, the more bankrupt our country becomes, making us less safe as a result.

History will look back at Ron Paul as the George Washington of our generation, because of his courage to protect the U.S. Constitution. If we followed the constitution, only gold and silver would be used as legal tender in the U.S. and the Federal Reserve wouldn't be allowed to exist. There would be no bailouts of financial institutions on Wall Street that recklessly speculated in order to pay themselves huge bonuses.

Please spread the word about NIA and have your friends and family subscribe for free at: http://inflation.us

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Fox



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
History will look back at Ron Paul as the George Washington of our generation, because of his courage to protect the U.S. Constitution.


No, probably not. Whether Ron Paul is right or wrong (and about economic matters I think it's safe to say he's generally right), the average citizen simply doesn't care enough about actual economics to ever give him anywhere near that much respect or regard. And as a non-corporatist candidate gaining the presidency would be incredibly difficult for him, especially after Citizens United.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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History will look back at Ron Paul as the George Washington of our generation, because of his courage to protect the U.S. Constitution


Mayhap you should take a look at this bit where 74% of the American public thinks Washington LIED to the public:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697#35528390

Mathews is often a dork, but he's spot on on this one. Setting aside the point that a fairly substantial share of the public is too dense to distinguish President Washington from Washington, this is evidence of the cynicism of the right always nattering on about how the central government is bad. I'd love to see something from President Washington that agrees with that twisted view. The fact is that Washington was instrumental in bringing about a STRONG central government.

I wish I could figure out a way to demonstrate that the anti-Federalists have turned into the modern conservatives and stop them from cloaking themselves in the constitutional mantle which they disagree with, and always have.
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