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bacasper
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| "Acting White" has been an issue in young black American culture for quite a while. If a young black person does well in school or speaks proper English he is accused of acting White by his peers. |
I have a problem with the idea of proper versus improper English. |
I noticed. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| conrad2 wrote: |
| "Acting White" has been an issue in young black American culture for quite a while. If a young black person does well in school or speaks proper English he is accused of acting White by his peers. |
I have a problem with the idea of proper versus improper English. |
Why? Part of linguistic evolution is the tendency for members of the population to reject what they consider improper usage. Only usages which can overcome this successfully become mainstream. If anything we should be more aggressive in this regard, not less. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| ReeseDog wrote: |
| conrad2 wrote: |
| "Acting White" has been an issue in young black American culture for quite a while. If a young black person does well in school or speaks proper English he is accused of acting White by his peers. |
I have a problem with the idea of proper versus improper English. |
Why? Part of linguistic evolution is the tendency for members of the population to reject what they consider improper usage. Only usages which can overcome this successfully become mainstream. If anything we should be more aggressive in this regard, not less. |
I get all that. Maybe it's just the terminology I don't like. I prefer to think in terms of standard and nonstandard rather than proper and improper - it's less aggressive a stance toward speakers of nonstandard English.
Most of my students are speakers of AAVE, so I run into this conversation from time to time. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ha, that was in my hometown, awesome. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| It doesn't help that the average I.Q in the states and level of education is at an all time low. |
In the aggregate, the average IQ NEVER changes. It is ALWAYS 100. |
We can always count on you for a dose of truth, can't we? |
Yes, you can. |
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ReeseDog
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| ReeseDog wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| soakitincider wrote: |
| It doesn't help that the average I.Q in the states and level of education is at an all time low. |
In the aggregate, the average IQ NEVER changes. It is ALWAYS 100. |
We can always count on you for a dose of truth, can't we? |
Yes, you can. |
Keep it up, bro'. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| soakitincider wrote: |
| It doesn't help that the average I.Q in the states and level of education is at an all time low. |
In the aggregate, the average IQ NEVER changes. It is ALWAYS 100. |
We can always count on you for a dose of truth, can't we? |
Yes, you can. |
Keep it up, bro'. |
You know I will because that is what I am about: truth, justice, and the American way! |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: How dangerous is the USA for White people? |
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The girl in the video was beaten for "acting White". I act White every moment of everyday. How safe am I?
Barack Obama has said if you hate White people, its OK by him if you want to kill them and you won't get any extra penalties. This really bothers me.
Is this a hate crime? Is it OK to beat up people that act Jewish? What are the rules about beating a black person because you hate black people while you are a black person?
This is ethnic cleansing. |
Got a couple of questions for the OP
How the hell did you find your way out of the airport to get here?, you must have had some help i'm thinking.
Why does a rascist come to and Asian country to work and live?
Do you actually believe what you've written or are you just desk sitting during the break and are trying to break the boredom with a ridiculous post and statement and just get a kick out of the attention?
Ethnic cleansing is when one ethnicity attacks another ethnicity and tries to wipe them out, you do understand that the person attacked was from the same ethnicity as her attackers don't you?
If I was to buy you a ticket back to your country would you go?
Because frankly you should not be here, damn some of us are professional and committed and actually have a well rounded world view and knowledge. You appear to be a steriotype of a redneck from a trailer park on the other hand. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| "Acting White" has been an issue in young black American culture for quite a while. If a young black person does well in school or speaks proper English he is accused of acting White by his peers. |
LOL
The poor little black kid who couldn't fit in so he blamed it on good grades and proper English?
Most of the kids I know that were targeted for "acting white" were actively trying to distance themselves from black people or "blackness".
There were plenty of black kids who were in AP classes, had good grades and managed not to speak with an annoying fake-ccent.
"Acting white" isn't getting good grades, it's acting like you're not black, and trying to emulate "whiteness" (in this case, whiteness is whatever the black kid thinks it is).
On a final note, could it be...maybe...that these kids who got teased were teased because they were...*gasp* nerds? So when a white kid teases another nerdy white kid and makes fun of him for going to class, it's because the kid is a nerd. When black kids do it, it's because somehow the black kids don't like school and hate other black kids who are academically successful. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:35 am Post subject: Re: How dangerous is the USA for White people? |
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I think the real issue here is the web site that you linked to. I would personally be too embarrassed to pass that link on to anyone except in outrage. What the hell kind of web sites do you visit? |
It's rocket_scientist. What do you expect? Of course he's going to link to a post that calls black people "n******". |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| what I am about: truth, justice, and the American way! |
In some circles, this would be called delusions of grandeur. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:36 am Post subject: |
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"Acting white" isn't getting good grades, it's acting like you're not black, and trying to emulate "whiteness" (in this case, whiteness is whatever the black kid thinks it is). |
It's also:
http://www.dolanmedia.com/view.cfm?recID=552049
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| At the public schools, he said, fitting in meant not being what his family was: "churchy," "upright" and wanting education, as another witness put it, according to a trial transcript. |
http://actingwhite.blogspot.com/2010/01/acting-white-black-on-black-racism.html
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At the heart, this is a case where Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, barring racial discrimination in programs that receive federal funding, was applied against the behavior of Black students and administrators, in an all-black Williamsburg County elementary school/district, who abused or allowed the abuse of the plaintiffs for �acting white�, or displaying academically advancing behavior. Story here.
The uncle of one of the plaintiffs seems to have delivered credible testimony as to life in rural S. Carolina and how the races live separately under different rules. "You see, it's a crime to act white, or it's a crime to be white," the uncle testified. Harassment, he testified, made him feel that "we are just dumb, we're just not people, we're undergraded [sic], we're degraded, and we're not even supposed to be in this world."
The complaining students were subject to verbal and physical abuse to a point where they had to be home-schooled. But the twist in the saga was an additional complaint of retaliation against the family by school administrators, whereby the County Department of Social Services (DSS) was asked to investigate the home of the plaintiffs.
So in the end, the $150,000 settlement was a way for the school system to cut their losses after first not protecting these kids from an intra-racially hostile learning environment, and then making matters worse by calling in DSS to look for bad parenting in their home. Quite a commentary on what can happen inside a Black community when families are aggressive at getting an education.
I�m only sorry that the settlement released the offending Black students and administrators from the official charge and finding of racism, as they certainly looked and acted guilty from this distance.
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
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| "Acting White" has been an issue in young black American culture for quite a while. If a young black person does well in school or speaks proper English he is accused of acting White by his peers. |
LOL
The poor little black kid who couldn't fit in so he blamed it on good grades and proper English?
Most of the kids I know that were targeted for "acting white" were actively trying to distance themselves from black people or "blackness".
There were plenty of black kids who were in AP classes, had good grades and managed not to speak with an annoying fake-ccent.
"Acting white" isn't getting good grades, it's acting like you're not black, and trying to emulate "whiteness" (in this case, whiteness is whatever the black kid thinks it is).
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Do you know who you are? You are what you is!
A foolish young man
Of the Negro Persuasion
Devoted his life
To become a caucasian
He stopped eating pork
He stopped eating greens
He traded his dashiki
("UHURU!")
For some Jordache Jeans
He learned to play golf
An' he got a good score
Now he says to himself
("I AIN'T NO N***** NO MORE...HEY! HEY! HEY!")
"I don't understand you..."
BWANA MA-COO-BAH
"Would you please speak more clearly..."
MERCEDES BAINNNNNNNZ
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soakitincider
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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Rest in peace, Frank Zappa.
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the kids I know that were targeted for "acting white" were actively trying to distance themselves from black people or "blackness".
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So you admit some black students are in fact targetted for "acting white", just like Conrad said. I for one can't blame them; it's totally reasonable to want to emulate the cultural traits of a more successful demographic group and distance yourself from the cultural traits of a less successful demographic group. |
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