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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:10 am Post subject: Feeling Normal |
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I remember reading a post a while back, a guy wrote how an old Korean woman came up to him in the street asked him for directions in Korean, he told her, she thanked him and walked off without a single acknowledgement that he was a foreigner. It was quite a surprising story at the time, for me. And the poster as I remember was pretty pleased about it, it was certainly worthy of a posting at Dave's.
Then it happened to me, and has done a a few more times since. I felt thoroughly embarrassed that my Korean isn't that great actually, because I was so glad not to be made a fuss of as a foreigner. I felt I didn't want to let them down as I was so grateful that these people were treating me normally, without the barrage of questions and broken English and 'welcome to Korea' fussing.
In my gym there is a couple of buffed older guys, maybe in their fifties and they are kind of gym 'know-it-alls' (you know the type, a bit annoying) who go around telling people that their workouts are all wrong and they should do like this or whatever. Well one of these guys came up to me and showed me a new shoulders excercise , in his language with again, no acknowledgement of my difference to the other people in the gym, no 'where are you from?' 'do you like Korean food?' just a new excercise. Later I saw him doing exactly the same thing with a Korean guy, in exactly the same way (only he was annoying that guy, I could tell). It's like he didn't even notice I was a foreigner.
Now it may just be me, and my language getting better, but I think people are not only getting used to us foreigners being around, but slowly they are starting to not even notice us and I wonder if this is good or bad.
Sure, it was nice to be treated the same as other Koreans, but at the same time I wonder how much longer we'll be regarded as such a great commodity as English teachers when as it seems to me, we're becoming part of the furniture. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:28 am Post subject: |
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I'd say that if Koreans stopped treating us differently and stopped according us our "celebrity status" half of the foreign teachers here would go home. Some of us here love the fact they stand out. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Happened a few times but was most common when I lived in Kwang-ju. It is an incredibly wonderful feeling. |
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:58 am Post subject: |
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in_seoul_2003 wrote: |
That's a great post Butterfly. But I'm just wondering, if you hadn't subsequently witnessed him repeating the same pedagogy with the Korean guy, then would you have perceived it differently? Would his apparent apathy to you being a foreigner have instead become him trying to assert his knowledge superiority over you precisely because you are a foreigner? |
That's a really good point, at one time I'm sure I would have taken it that way, when the reality would have been that he would have been trying to assert superior knowledge simply because he is older such as older people do, which throws open another debate about our [foreigners] perception of things and our constant awareness that we are different. Indeed it makes me question how I've reacted to other experiences in the past, which I took as patronizing to me the foreigner and may well have just been people trying to give me a little of their wisdom.
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:38 am Post subject: Re: Feeling Normal |
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Butterfly wrote: |
I wonder how much longer we'll be regarded as such a great commodity as English teachers when as it seems to me, we're becoming part of the furniture. |
I REALLY don't see this happening, considering the fact that I've lived in this apartment for more than a year now and I still get stared at in wonderment by all the other apartment dwellers in the complex, whenever we happen to share an elevator, leave the building, enter the building, etc. It's more as if they are amazed that I'm still here, day after day, I haven't gone anywhere, how can that be? |
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:56 am Post subject: |
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Eazy_E

Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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I've always been quite happy with the way I'm treated in Korea. I live in a small town and yes, they stare at my big nose and occasionally give me some of the "Hello! Welcome to Korea" stuff.
But Butterfly is right: it's great to be treated as a normal person who happens to live in Korea, not some kind of alien or celebrity. Most of the time this happens with older people. They're also the least likely to stare or address me in English. Maybe they consider it natural to speak Korean if you live here. I've been here for 6 months so my grasp of Korean is barely past the beginner level, but I'm trying and people really appreciate it.
Canada, where I'm from, is probably one of the most tolerant countries in the world in accepting immigrants, but we seem to do this partly through just ignoring the newbies. They get their own piece of the pie and even get to carry on their customs as they would in their own country, but the concept of multiculturalism seems to preclude any whole-hearted embrace of new Canadians. In contrast, Koreans are not quite sure what to do with newcomers. Some stare and a few are rude, but most are quite warm and friendly if you show some interest in Korean language and culture. Some shopkeepers toss in some freebies for me even for my modest chit-chat skills in Korean.
So that's a little disjointed but I think that Korea has an unfair reputation for being xenophobic. If you look different, you get some stares but on the whole Koreans are kind, generous, and really want you to be part of the scene here. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Feeling Normal |
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Corporal wrote: |
I REALLY don't see this happening, considering the fact that I've lived in this apartment for more than a year now and I still get stared at in wonderment by all the other apartment dwellers in the complex, whenever we happen to share an elevator, leave the building, enter the building, etc. It's more as if they are amazed that I'm still here, day after day, I haven't gone anywhere, how can that be? |
Yes whilst echoing what In-seoul has written I would also like to add that I have no idea how things are in other urban areas (I rarely leave Seoul), and as I understand it you live in Daegu Corporal. I live in a district of Gangnam in Seoul which is probably regarded as somewhat cosmopolitan by the locals, as barely a day goes by where I don't see two or three Western foreigners walking around in their wooly hats. I am very rarely looked at in the street. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Feeling Normal |
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Butterfly wrote: |
Corporal wrote: |
I REALLY don't see this happening, considering the fact that I've lived in this apartment for more than a year now and I still get stared at in wonderment by all the other apartment dwellers in the complex, whenever we happen to share an elevator, leave the building, enter the building, etc. It's more as if they are amazed that I'm still here, day after day, I haven't gone anywhere, how can that be? |
Yes whilst echoing what In-seoul has written I would also like to add that I have no idea how things are in other urban areas (I rarely leave Seoul), and as I understand it you live in Daegu Corporal. I live in a district of Gangnam in Seoul which is probably regarded as somewhat cosmopolitan by the locals, as barely a day goes by where I don't see two or three Western foreigners walking around in their wooly hats. I am very rarely looked at in the street. |
Yes, which makes it even more ridiculous that the locals should behave towards me the way they do. If I were, say, a single male, obviously I'd likely only be here a short time. But I'm almost always in the company of my husband and baby Corp, so you would think they would have clued in to the fact that I might be around for a while? You'd think they would realize "hey, I guess she's married, I guess she actually lives here and this is her home?"
Maybe we just have to give it more time huh.  |
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Kwangjuchicken

Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:28 am Post subject: |
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This reminds me of a story, that is also a good example of:
"Be careful what you wish for, it might come true."
One day, I said aloud, "I wish I could fee normal for just one minute."
Then, this guy comes up to me and says, "Hi. I am Bruce Normal, and you can feel me as long as you want."
I just made that up. It is NOT true.
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kangnamdragon

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:35 am Post subject: Re: Feeling Normal |
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Butterfly wrote: |
I remember reading a post a while back, a guy wrote how an old Korean woman came up to him in the street asked him for directions in Korean, he told her, she thanked him and walked off without a single acknowledgement that he was a foreigner. It was quite a surprising story at the time, for me. And the poster as I remember was pretty pleased about it, it was certainly worthy of a posting at Dave's.
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Kwangjuchicken

Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
This reminds me of a story, that is also a good example of:
"Be careful what you wish for, it might come true."
One day, I said aloud, "I wish I could fee normal for just one minute."
Then, this guy comes up to me and says, "Hi. I am Bruce Normal, and you can feel me as long as you want."
I just made that up. It is NOT true.
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This was supposed to be a gay joke for Corporal. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:18 am Post subject: |
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Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
This reminds me of a story, that is also a good example of:
"Be careful what you wish for, it might come true."
One day, I said aloud, "I wish I could fee normal for just one minute."
Then, this guy comes up to me and says, "Hi. I am Bruce Normal, and you can feel me as long as you want."
I just made that up. It is NOT true.
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This was supposed to be a gay joke for Corporal. |
Uh, okay. Thanks... Was I supposed to laugh? Be offended? not really sure what you're looking for there KFC. |
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Kwangjuchicken

Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Corporal wrote: |
Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
This reminds me of a story, that is also a good example of:
"Be careful what you wish for, it might come true."
One day, I said aloud, "I wish I could fee normal for just one minute."
Then, this guy comes up to me and says, "Hi. I am Bruce Normal, and you can feel me as long as you want."
I just made that up. It is NOT true.
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This was supposed to be a gay joke for Corporal. |
Uh, okay. Thanks... Was I supposed to laugh? Be offended? not really sure what you're looking for there KFC. |
Laugh of course.
One of my missions in life is to bring as much joy and laughter I can to those around me. I, as I hope you can tell from my posts here, also try to share what I think is important information about various topics, but do it with humour.
Like when I teach. I am very serious about my students making as much progress as possible WHILE having a gay ol' time ( pardon the expression). But, when you are a dislexic English teaching monk chicken, well you just gotta have a sence of humor, for it to all come together just right and work.
It's like my dear old great great great grandfather told me on his 112th birthday. "Life is to serious to be short. That is why I am six foot three."
Well, I am pretty tall too. Especially for a chicken.
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