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'Microsoft monoculture' in South Korea

 
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:07 am    Post subject: 'Microsoft monoculture' in South Korea Reply with quote

I did notice that I must use IE to do my banking in SK.

Mozilla warns of 'Microsoft monoculture' in South Korea

Lemur web saviour flutters very big eyes

By Kelly Fiveash �
Posted in Applications, 24th February 2010 13:10 GMT


The lemur-obsessed Mozilla crew have this week mostly been pushing their hippy ideals in the hope of reminding people that there's more to life than Microsoft's Internet Explorer.

Early this morning the open source outfit and Firefox maker took a second stab at the hearts and minds of conscientious web surfers in a post about South Korea's despotic approach to browsers.

Mozilla is very excited about the European Commission's demands that Microsoft serves up a web browser ballot box via its operating system within the 27-state bloc. But further afield it has been fretting about Redmond's supremacy.

"To those critics of the browser ballot who would rather the free market be left completely to Adam Smith�s invisible hand, I would present to you the example of South Korea," wrote Mozilla's Gen Kanai in a blog post penned today.

"In short, South Korea is a sad example of a Microsoft monoculture where the course of history and the lack of anti-monopoly oversight have created a nation where every computer user is a Windows user and banking or ecommerce or any secure transaction on the Internet with South Korean entities must be done with Internet Explorer on a Windows OS."

Mozilla kicked off its "open to choice" campaign earlier this week, in which its CEO John Lilly outlined that web surfers have the right to pick what browser they want to use, rather than blindly being lumped with Internet Explorer just because Microsoft set it as default on Windows-based PCs.

It should all be about "self-determination", noted Lilly.

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Senior



Joined: 31 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is basically a special interest lobbying for special treatment. I don't like the internet situation in Korea anymore than the next guy (proud ff user), but legislating companies must do this or that is not the answer. If Koreans wanted to use a different a browser they could, but they don't. Mozilla has an infinitely better product. That will probably win out in the end.
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RobertGR



Joined: 03 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:10 pm    Post subject: IE is forced on users Reply with quote

Senior wrote:
This is basically a special interest lobbying for special treatment. I don't like the internet situation in Korea anymore than the next guy (proud ff user), but legislating companies must do this or that is not the answer. If Koreans wanted to use a different a browser they could, but they don't. Mozilla has an infinitely better product. That will probably win out in the end.


I don't think the original "Mozilla warns ... " thing was serious. In any case Mozilla is not a lemur -- it's a dinosaur (related to Godzilla).

Because Korean websites (including but not only banks) rely on ActiveX users HAVE to use IE and Windows to use them. This can be a problem even for Windows/IE users due to version compatibility issues. IMHO ActiveX is a failed technology -- SK web authors just haven't realized this yet. Microsoft mostly has.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My co-worker is an IT professor, and he laments how costly and inefficient it is for students here and for developers to continue to have to write code for ActiveX and IE6. It's as if a record company had to produce 8-Track tapes for only one country. This conservatism is not only a choice but is a wasteful choice, even if Mozilla is obviously promoting its own interests.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/02/133_60659.html

"In essence, the current law states that all encrypted online communications on computers require the use of electronic signatures based on public-key certificates. And since the fall of Netscape in the early 2000s, Microsoft's Active-X controls on its Internet Explorer (IE) Web browsers remain as the only plug-in tool to download public-key certificates to computers. "


The Korean Financial Supervisory Service (FSS) need to get their heads out of their rears and change their regulations that are in line with the rest of the world. Just a simple UserID and password. None of this requiring resident ID for everything. Korean citizens just have to learn to take criticism, or ignore them, from anonymous internet users.
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Senior



Joined: 31 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/02/133_60659.html

"In essence, the current law states that all encrypted online communications on computers require the use of electronic signatures based on public-key certificates. And since the fall of Netscape in the early 2000s, Microsoft's Active-X controls on its Internet Explorer (IE) Web browsers remain as the only plug-in tool to download public-key certificates to computers. "


The Korean Financial Supervisory Service (FSS) need to get their heads out of their rears and change their regulations that are in line with the rest of the world. Just a simple UserID and password. None of this requiring resident ID for everything. Korean citizens just have to learn to take criticism, or ignore them, from anonymous internet users.


Oh, I was not aware of this. I was going to recommend that Koreans need to switch browsers and only use businesses that will support there browser choice. However, this info causes me to side completely with Korean internet users. It's not their fault they are being hamstrung by govt bullshit. Again.
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RobertGR



Joined: 03 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/02/133_60659.html

"In essence, the current law states that all encrypted online communications on computers require the use of electronic signatures based on public-key certificates. And since the fall of Netscape in the early 2000s, Microsoft's Active-X controls on its Internet Explorer (IE) Web browsers remain as the only plug-in tool to download public-key certificates to computers. "


And this quote from the same article shows one of the other reasons this is such a big problem
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Requiring users to download certain types of applications to enable financial services on their smartphones may also expose them to larger security risks, as it could provide a juicy blueprint for cyber criminals to disguise their malicious software, just as they exploit Active-X plug-ins in the desktop computing world.

Korea -- just say yes to random downloads of ActiveX controls.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some key US gov't agencies use ActiveX controls too. Well they are key for federal employees, not so much your average American (i.e. the General Services Administration and the Office of Personnel Management). Maybe that's why I'm stuck using IE 6 at work.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Korean citizens just have to learn to take criticism, or ignore them, from anonymous internet users.


Exactly.

Committing suicide every time somebody posts something along the lines of "you're not very good/you smell/you look like poo" in their comment section is NOT the way!

Firefox is good and all, but after a month of purely using Chrome I think my Firefox days may be coming to an end.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tiger fancini wrote:
Firefox is good and all, but after a month of purely using Chrome I think my Firefox days may be coming to an end.


Go Chrome! After using it for one day I downloaded it onto every machine I use and haven't looked back. Though I still have to use IE to order pizza online.
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