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[Captain Corea]

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Oh I know exactly what he said. If you had an adolescent daughter, and someone ripped the clothes off of her body, threatened her, took pictures of her, and humiliated her by putting them on the internet for the whole country to see, you would let the school handle it? Corporal punishment, like they always give? A suspension? Blood money?

If so, I wouldn't want to be your kid.

As I compared initially, there are 6 young boys and girls here in Daegu, scarred for life from being raped/sodomized. That was also a matter for the "families" to handle. That is, until the rape of that young girl just recently. That changed everything.

Don't you see the larger picture? Is society really taking care of other social issues? Bullying is a well publicized police matter because schools and families failed. This crosses a line.

[RufusW]

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[Captain Corea]

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My obvious points are these, since you are intent on avoiding them:

1. Bullying is now a police matter, because it was not being dealt with by society. This hazing involves bullying. Never, did I say it could be solved by police alone. All I said was this is worse than bullying.

2. If instances of rape, a very serious crime, were tried yet could NOT be effectively handled by society, then why should sexual assault, and the creation of pornography be handled by society? It is a serious legal matter.

Now, if you want to call my comparison a red herring, then how about answering my original question. How would you deal with this issue if it happened to your teenage daughter? Her clothes ripped off, she is threatened with violence, she is forced to pose naked in the cold, and then the photos are put on the internet.

If you don't like that, how about the yearly swarm of Pok Ju students riding their scooters and motorcycles in packs on the streets swerving in and out of traffic. This is another graduation 'ritual'. But, guess what, it's a police matter. It has been for YEARS. But, this hazing is less serious?

I'm not saying it's terrible, but Korean society is losing it's value system, and if the president want his country to continue down that road, then yes, this is the perfect way to do it.
Keep teaching the young that they don't have to be held responsible for what they do. They grow up to be the names you see in papers for bribes, and other white collar crimes. And then they get pardoned. Even assaults get pardoned.

[Captain Corea]

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[jvalmer]

From what I understand most of the students do this willingly, the supposed violence is just a show. They just want be cool with their peers, and usually someone of the same gender will force their juniors to do things. And not every student participates, based on the schools I've been to maybe a few percent of the students do the extreme strip naked march around town pyramid thing.

But I do think they should find another way to express themselves instead of getting naked and forming pyramids.

[Captain Corea]

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Don't be a nad, please. Of course I can only quote what was said in the papers. You know very well, what I meant by 'exactly', obviously referred to his press statement, meaning I know exactly what was quoted IN KOREAN... Did you forget it's the same quote with which YOU agreed? He didn't give a dissertation on sociology, it was a simple statement.

First, you agree with him. What began as a debate on the merits of what he said in the press, was twisted into the need for clarification of what was actually said in Korean...
But wait, then THAT warped into another disqualification that his INITIAL position may have changed (in a few days).
Now, (this is the best twist) the whole statement can't be taken verbatim at all? The very statement YOU agreed with?

Any more games you want to play with this?

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[jvalmer]

Most Canadian boys who played hockey in the 90's and before experienced the gonch-pull (aka wedgie) in the locker room. Oh the memories, and all I could think was wait until next year when I'm older and get to surprise the newbies.

Do coaches still turn a blind eye to that these days? Or is that considered assault now?

[Captain Corea]

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It's not that I refuse to post it. I refuse to do it for YOU. You stated that my translation was inaccurate, so you go searching for the article.

You seem to be getting off on this meaningless back and forth, when you could have easily found it by now. Do it yourself. . It isn't hard, so why do you continue demanding that I do it?

Furthermore, the question about your daughter was a legitimate question concerning how you would handle this issue. Now you cll it baiting? Of course you would. You've never asked hypothetical questions like that, have you? Baiting? Get real. And, the rape case was a comparison to show that your belief in society being able to handle sexual crimes was a supreme fail.