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Sadebugo1
Joined: 11 May 2003
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 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:56 am Post subject: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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Sorry if this has already been posted but I didn't see it anywhere else.
Below is a link to the "International Living Magazine" quality of life index. France was 1st with the US and Canada 7th and 9th respectively. I don't put much faith in these rankings except for a 'general' indication of the quality of life in a country. For example, Korea was way down the list (where it belongs) but was tied with Slovakia. I left Korea in '03 and Slovakia in '06 and there is no way the quality of life in Korea is close to Slovakia's. However, since Slovakia has a weak economy, this may have been what equalized the two countries.
http://www1.internationalliving.com/qofl2010/
Sadebugo
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| You can't get the whole story by averages. For instance, regarding infrastructure, there was virtually no public transit and the public education system wasn't too amazing in my HS hometown. I'd imagine it'd be ever worse in rural towns and in the south. Whereas Seoul and the surrounding areas are quite nice in comparison. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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From article:
Macau is one point above North Korea....list loses any validity as far as I'm concerned.
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Our Western bias
Our sources, staff, and contributing editors are all influenced by a Western bias. We have definite, preconceived ideas about what constitutes a high or low standard of living, what constitutes culture and entertainment, and what climate is the most enjoyable. |
I suppose that explains most of the top 20 countries being amongst some of the last countries I ever want to visit. Not that they're bad, just they seem utterly unexciting, un-exotic, and too westernized(most of western Europe). |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| Zimbabwe has the world's best climate (100pts), but unfortunately the world's worst economic situation (0pts). |
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Sadebugo1
Joined: 11 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| Ukon wrote: |
From article:
Macau is one point above North Korea....list loses any validity as far as I'm concerned.
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Our Western bias
Our sources, staff, and contributing editors are all influenced by a Western bias. We have definite, preconceived ideas about what constitutes a high or low standard of living, what constitutes culture and entertainment, and what climate is the most enjoyable. |
I suppose that explains most of the top 20 countries being amongst some of the last countries I ever want to visit. Not that they're bad, just they seem utterly unexciting, un-exotic, and too westernized(most of western Europe). |
Key word="visit"
It's exciting to visit some exotic countries but living there full time is a whole different kettle of fish.
Sadebugo
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Satchel Paige
Joined: 29 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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| Sadebugo1 wrote: |
Sorry if this has already been posted but I didn't see it anywhere else.
Below is a link to the "International Living Magazine" quality of life index. France was 1st with the US and Canada 7th and 9th respectively. I don't put much faith in these rankings except for a 'general' indication of the quality of life in a country. For example, Korea was way down the list (where it belongs) but was tied with Slovakia. I left Korea in '03 and Slovakia in '06 and there is no way the quality of life in Korea is close to Slovakia's. However, since Slovakia has a weak economy, this may have been what equalized the two countries.
http://www1.internationalliving.com/qofl2010/
Sadebugo
http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/ |
So you are already living in America but still felt the need to pull up some highly subjective "list" and paste in on a foreigner teacher's website for the sole purpose of trying to prove to everyone that Korea's quality of life is on a whole is lower than, say, Lichtenstein?
Dude, you've got issues.. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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| Satchel Paige wrote: |
So you are already living in America but still felt the need to pull up some highly subjective "list" and paste in on a foreigner teacher's website for the sole purpose of trying to prove to everyone that Korea's quality of life is on a whole is lower than, say, Lichtenstein?
Dude, you've got issues.. |
He hasn't been in Korea for 7 years, yet he still regularly cheap shots about how much he still hated Korea. What a sad, pathetic existence he must lead to remain so bitter.  |
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Sadebugo1
Joined: 11 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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| Satchel Paige wrote: |
| Sadebugo1 wrote: |
Sorry if this has already been posted but I didn't see it anywhere else.
Below is a link to the "International Living Magazine" quality of life index. France was 1st with the US and Canada 7th and 9th respectively. I don't put much faith in these rankings except for a 'general' indication of the quality of life in a country. For example, Korea was way down the list (where it belongs) but was tied with Slovakia. I left Korea in '03 and Slovakia in '06 and there is no way the quality of life in Korea is close to Slovakia's. However, since Slovakia has a weak economy, this may have been what equalized the two countries.
http://www1.internationalliving.com/qofl2010/
Sadebugo
http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/ |
So you are already living in America but still felt the need to pull up some highly subjective "list" and paste in on a foreigner teacher's website for the sole purpose of trying to prove to everyone that Korea's quality of life is on a whole is lower than, say, Lichtenstein?
Dude, you've got issues.. |
How in the world will I overcome your criticism of me:)
Sadebugo
http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/ |
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Sadebugo1
Joined: 11 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Satchel Paige wrote: |
So you are already living in America but still felt the need to pull up some highly subjective "list" and paste in on a foreigner teacher's website for the sole purpose of trying to prove to everyone that Korea's quality of life is on a whole is lower than, say, Lichtenstein?
Dude, you've got issues.. |
He hasn't been in Korea for 7 years, yet he still regularly cheap shots about how much he still hated Korea. What a sad, pathetic existence he must lead to remain so bitter. |
Yeah, right! I'm going to fall for that. Your attempts to shame me off the board have failed. Maybe my criticisms actually make it harder for you to cope with living there. If that is the case, I apologize. But, I must warn you, you should avoid reading my posts in the future if criticism of Korea get you that riled up.
Have a good day in Korea!
Sadebugo
http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/ |
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mzeno
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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| Sadebugo1 wrote: |
For example, Korea was way down the list (where it belongs) but was tied with Slovakia.
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What are your reasons for saying this?
I think it depends on how you define "quality".
I would argue that Korea rivals or surpasses the states in many 'quality of life' catagories, as normally defined.
1. Affordable, safe, efficient, public transportation(subway, bus, boats, trains)
2. Access/affordability of food, housing, health care, restaurants, hotels, taxis, movies, museums, car repair, internet & cable, postal services, parking facilities, 24/7 public bath/sauna, clean drinking water, and CLEAN PUBLIC RESTROOMS
3. Telecommunications(esp ATM/phone banking)
4. Urban Planning/Landscaping (esp. the river walk)
5. Conspicuous lack of fast-food/drive-thru restaurants and the lifestyle/mindset/diet that requires them
6. Public Safety
7. Friendliness/hospitality/competence of public and private service sector employees
8. K-1 ( also live PPV UFC and unedited full-length feature films on regular cable)
9. Kim, Yu-Na
10. Kim-chi, and the many plants that are grown, harvested, and meticulously prepared for the table.
11. Wonder Girls!! |
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Sadebugo1
Joined: 11 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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| mzeno wrote: |
| Sadebugo1 wrote: |
For example, Korea was way down the list (where it belongs) but was tied with Slovakia.
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What are your reasons for saying this?
I think it depends on how you define "quality".
I would argue that Korea rivals or surpasses the states in many 'quality of life' catagories, as normally defined.
1. Affordable, safe, efficient, public transportation(subway, bus, boats, trains)
2. Access/affordability of food, housing, health care, restaurants, hotels, taxis, movies, museums, car repair, internet & cable, postal services, parking facilities, 24/7 public bath/sauna, clean drinking water, and CLEAN PUBLIC RESTROOMS
3. Telecommunications(esp ATM/phone banking)
4. Urban Planning/Landscaping (esp. the river walk)
5. Conspicuous lack of fast-food/drive-thru restaurants and the lifestyle/mindset/diet that requires them
6. Public Safety
7. Friendliness/hospitality/competence of public and private service sector employees
8. K-1 ( also live PPV UFC and unedited full-length feature films on regular cable)
9. Kim, Yu-Na
10. Kim-chi, and the many plants that are grown, harvested, and meticulously prepared for the table.
11. Wonder Girls!! |
I guess it's subjective as you have illustrated. However, I have to disagree vehemently with numbers four, six and seven. With number four, Korean cities are concrete jungles with little or no planning having gone into the layout. As to number six, collapsing buildings and bridges due to safety violations have caused too many deaths (or were you just referring to crime?) Number seven, are you kidding?
I never heard of number 11. You seem like a nice person--please get out of that country asap before it skews your thinking further!
Sadebugo
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mzeno
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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| Sadebugo1 wrote: |
| mzeno wrote: |
| Sadebugo1 wrote: |
For example, Korea was way down the list (where it belongs) but was tied with Slovakia.
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What are your reasons for saying this?
I think it depends on how you define "quality".
I would argue that Korea rivals or surpasses the states in many 'quality of life' catagories, as normally defined.
1. Affordable, safe, efficient, public transportation(subway, bus, boats, trains)
2. Access/affordability of food, housing, health care, restaurants, hotels, taxis, movies, museums, car repair, internet & cable, postal services, parking facilities, 24/7 public bath/sauna, clean drinking water, and CLEAN PUBLIC RESTROOMS
3. Telecommunications(esp ATM/phone banking)
4. Urban Planning/Landscaping (esp. the river walk)
5. Conspicuous lack of fast-food/drive-thru restaurants and the lifestyle/mindset/diet that requires them
6. Public Safety
7. Friendliness/hospitality/competence of public and private service sector employees
8. K-1 ( also live PPV UFC and unedited full-length feature films on regular cable)
9. Kim, Yu-Na
10. Kim-chi, and the many plants that are grown, harvested, and meticulously prepared for the table.
11. Wonder Girls!! |
I guess it's subjective as you have illustrated. However, I have to disagree vehemently with numbers four, six and seven. With number four, Korean cities are concrete jungles with little or no planning having gone into the layout. As to number six, collapsing buildings and bridges due to safety violations have caused too many deaths (or were you just referring to crime?) Number seven, are you kidding?
I never heard of number 11. You seem like a nice person--please get out of that country asap before it skews your thinking further!
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#11. The Wonder Girls have to be counted among the highest cultural achievements of any civilization. Past or present.
Collapsing buildings and bridges...? Are you thinking of China? Haiti? Chile?
Public Safety-#6, refers to, among other things, the complete absence of the fear (nevermind the actual possibility) of being a victim of, or witness to, violent crime. Most notably, gun, or other weapons related violence. Living with even the fear of crime, in my opinion, significantly lowers your 'quality of life'.
Los Angeles is a concrete jungle. New York is a concrete jungle.
Seoul...Busan,...not so much. Largely because of the reasons mentioned in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and 10.
Thanks for your concern, but I'm afraid it's your thinking that is a little 'skewed'. Get thee to Korea!! ASAP!! |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Satchel Paige wrote: |
So you are already living in America but still felt the need to pull up some highly subjective "list" and paste in on a foreigner teacher's website for the sole purpose of trying to prove to everyone that Korea's quality of life is on a whole is lower than, say, Lichtenstein?
Dude, you've got issues.. |
He hasn't been in Korea for 7 years, yet he still regularly cheap shots about how much he still hated Korea. What a sad, pathetic existence he must lead to remain so bitter. |
Exactly where in Korea are you, Madoka? |
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Bueongi
Joined: 25 Jan 2008
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:10 am Post subject: Re: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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| mzeno wrote: |
| Sadebugo1 wrote: |
| mzeno wrote: |
| Sadebugo1 wrote: |
For example, Korea was way down the list (where it belongs) but was tied with Slovakia.
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What are your reasons for saying this?
I think it depends on how you define "quality".
I would argue that Korea rivals or surpasses the states in many 'quality of life' catagories, as normally defined.
1. Affordable, safe, efficient, public transportation(subway, bus, boats, trains)
2. Access/affordability of food, housing, health care, restaurants, hotels, taxis, movies, museums, car repair, internet & cable, postal services, parking facilities, 24/7 public bath/sauna, clean drinking water, and CLEAN PUBLIC RESTROOMS
3. Telecommunications(esp ATM/phone banking)
4. Urban Planning/Landscaping (esp. the river walk)
5. Conspicuous lack of fast-food/drive-thru restaurants and the lifestyle/mindset/diet that requires them
6. Public Safety
7. Friendliness/hospitality/competence of public and private service sector employees
8. K-1 ( also live PPV UFC and unedited full-length feature films on regular cable)
9. Kim, Yu-Na
10. Kim-chi, and the many plants that are grown, harvested, and meticulously prepared for the table.
11. Wonder Girls!! |
I guess it's subjective as you have illustrated. However, I have to disagree vehemently with numbers four, six and seven. With number four, Korean cities are concrete jungles with little or no planning having gone into the layout. As to number six, collapsing buildings and bridges due to safety violations have caused too many deaths (or were you just referring to crime?) Number seven, are you kidding?
I never heard of number 11. You seem like a nice person--please get out of that country asap before it skews your thinking further!
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#11. The Wonder Girls have to be counted among the highest cultural achievements of any civilization. Past or present.
Collapsing buildings and bridges...? Are you thinking of China? Haiti? Chile?
Public Safety-#6, refers to, among other things, the complete absence of the fear (nevermind the actual possibility) of being a victim of, or witness to, violent crime. Most notably, gun, or other weapons related violence. Living with even the fear of crime, in my opinion, significantly lowers your 'quality of life'.
Los Angeles is a concrete jungle. New York is a concrete jungle.
Seoul...Busan,...not so much. Largely because of the reasons mentioned in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and 10.
Thanks for your concern, but I'm afraid it's your thinking that is a little 'skewed'. Get thee to Korea!! ASAP!! |
WHAT???!! The Wondergirls as one of the world's highest cultural achievements? Are you a 12-year old Korean girl?
As for public safety, you might have a point when it concerns Korean males.
And Seoul most certainly is a concrete jungle. Gray, drab and depressing. Nothing but congested highways and row after row of identical high-rise apartment buildings. |
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Sadebugo1
Joined: 11 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:07 am Post subject: Re: International Living (Quality of Life Index) |
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| mzeno wrote: |
| Sadebugo1 wrote: |
| mzeno wrote: |
| Sadebugo1 wrote: |
For example, Korea was way down the list (where it belongs) but was tied with Slovakia.
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What are your reasons for saying this?
I think it depends on how you define "quality".
I would argue that Korea rivals or surpasses the states in many 'quality of life' catagories, as normally defined.
1. Affordable, safe, efficient, public transportation(subway, bus, boats, trains)
2. Access/affordability of food, housing, health care, restaurants, hotels, taxis, movies, museums, car repair, internet & cable, postal services, parking facilities, 24/7 public bath/sauna, clean drinking water, and CLEAN PUBLIC RESTROOMS
3. Telecommunications(esp ATM/phone banking)
4. Urban Planning/Landscaping (esp. the river walk)
5. Conspicuous lack of fast-food/drive-thru restaurants and the lifestyle/mindset/diet that requires them
6. Public Safety
7. Friendliness/hospitality/competence of public and private service sector employees
8. K-1 ( also live PPV UFC and unedited full-length feature films on regular cable)
9. Kim, Yu-Na
10. Kim-chi, and the many plants that are grown, harvested, and meticulously prepared for the table.
11. Wonder Girls!! |
I guess it's subjective as you have illustrated. However, I have to disagree vehemently with numbers four, six and seven. With number four, Korean cities are concrete jungles with little or no planning having gone into the layout. As to number six, collapsing buildings and bridges due to safety violations have caused too many deaths (or were you just referring to crime?) Number seven, are you kidding?
I never heard of number 11. You seem like a nice person--please get out of that country asap before it skews your thinking further!
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#11. The Wonder Girls have to be counted among the highest cultural achievements of any civilization. Past or present.
Collapsing buildings and bridges...? Are you thinking of China? Haiti? Chile?
Public Safety-#6, refers to, among other things, the complete absence of the fear (nevermind the actual possibility) of being a victim of, or witness to, violent crime. Most notably, gun, or other weapons related violence. Living with even the fear of crime, in my opinion, significantly lowers your 'quality of life'.
Los Angeles is a concrete jungle. New York is a concrete jungle.
Seoul...Busan,...not so much. Largely because of the reasons mentioned in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and 10.
Thanks for your concern, but I'm afraid it's your thinking that is a little 'skewed'. Get thee to Korea!! ASAP!! |
I like your ability to debate without getting angry or making it personal. "Get thee to Korea?" I could never return. I have seen the light an am free at last!
Sadebugo
http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/
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