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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
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| Bondrock wrote: |
| Until Koreans start treating us like humans I refuse to participate in any of these media. |
I must admit, I too have to pause and count to ten if a Korean mentions chopsticks or "spicy food" and the sooner they realize this irritates many people the better, but there's nothing malicious about it. If they realized that these behaviors get on people's nerves, they'd disappear overnight.
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| I have lived here a long time too and used to get asked a lot if my family would be on TV or in the news media because my kids were some of the first white kids to be in Korean school and so were very visible. I am so glad I never gave in... |
Disappointing attitude. |
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Bondrock
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| Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Bondrock wrote: |
| Until Koreans start treating us like humans I refuse to participate in any of these media. |
I must admit, I too have to pause and count to ten if a Korean mentions chopsticks or "spicy food" and the sooner they realize this irritates many people the better, but there's nothing malicious about it. If they realized that these behaviors get on people's nerves, they'd disappear overnight.
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| I have lived here a long time too and used to get asked a lot if my family would be on TV or in the news media because my kids were some of the first white kids to be in Korean school and so were very visible. I am so glad I never gave in... |
Disappointing attitude. |
I am not sure if i understand you point here. Are you saying that it is disappointing that I did not allow my kids to be paraded around on TV like trained bears to amuse the Korean viewers? |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| And that commercial for noodles with Robert Holley? Man, that guy has also been on a number of different TV shows and he is always treated like a pet hamster. |
I too find the commercial irritating, if only because he has to slurp and gasp at ninety decibels while wolfing the noodles. Wait until the TV is on loud late at night! 
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| Are you saying that it is disappointing that I did not allow my kids to be paraded around on TV like trained bears to amuse the Korean viewers? |
Bondrock has a right to his personal preference. I do not see how his actions are "disappointing" either. I have a daughter. This perhaps the first time on Dave's I've mentioned her. I do not want her on TV. I don't mind being on TV if I'm answering a serious question, but not if it's to give the locals a belly-laugh by seeing the foreigner do wacky things in a hanbok. I realize the style of humor is different here, and that's fine. But I would also cringe to see Koreans on Canadian TV dressed like Bob & Doug McKenzie or using Newfie slang for the audience's guffawing. To me it's not funny and it's mostly at the foreigners' expense.
Whew. Getting back to the OP, I guess my reaction is more practical. Why does Revere want to publish a magazine, anyway? Does he hope to make money on this out of a few thousand cheapskate expats scattered around the country? There's a distribution medium already which is dirt cheap, accessible to millions 24/7, and requires far less bureacracy. Buy web hosting, Stephen, rather than tilting at windmills. |
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Bondrock
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| Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
Whew. Getting back to the OP, I guess my reaction is more practical. Why does Revere want to publish a magazine, anyway? Does he hope to make money on this out of a few thousand cheapskate expats scattered around the country? There's a distribution medium already which is dirt cheap, accessible to millions 24/7, and requires far less bureacracy. Buy web hosting, Stephen, rather than tilting at windmills. |
Fully agree here. Tilting at windmills...there seems to be no point to print publications anymore. Let's start a website... call it 11-webzine or some such.
Major newspapers and magazines all over the globe are downsizing or closing their doors. Revere speaks Korean very well, but his business savvy is in need of a boost. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| �We understand that these limitations pose constraints,� concedes an official from the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism, who asked not to be named. �However, just like other countries, we have to have our own laws regarding foreigners to protect Koreans� interests.� |
Korea talks about being an open and multicultural society, by it is lip service. Until statements like this disappear and there isn't the antagonism and just plain deep misery they feel when dealing with the other, life will continue to be arhm, interesting here. |
Canada also talks about being an open and multicultural society yet no more than 20% of a media company can be foreign-owned. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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I am not sure if i understand you point here. Are you saying that it is disappointing that I did not allow my kids to be paraded around on TV like trained bears to amuse the Korean viewers? |
Again, you're taking the attitude of the trained bear, the pet, the mascot, the less than a human - an attitude I ultimately reject as childish, unnecessary and completely over the top. Stop whining and just go on the bloody telly, for heaven's sake. I think it�s a wasted opportunity. If your kids were amongst the first Caucasians to receive a Korean schooling, then many serious observers and media would be very interested in hearing your experiences and ideas. Pitiable and humbling as it may seem to be on Korean TV in a hanbok answering questions about kimchi, it may have been a stepping stone to more serious media � a golden opportunity for all concerned. There's nothing to be gained by staying home being Mr Grumpy. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Canada also talks about being an open and multicultural society yet no more than 20% of a media company can be foreign-owned. |
That's true. We've also had these cheesy Can-con rules to force media outlets to play and promote Canadian artists, so that I had to grow up hearing crappy Anne Murray and Gordon Lightfoot songs every fifteen minutes (although this is how Heart got big!).
I am not questioning the statistic, but I would like to know whether a small-run magazine or regional radio station would be under the same restrictions. I would think a magazine aimed at expats is hardly of a nature to threaten Korean control of its media space. I guess those would be difficult distinctions to make. And again, to me it would be a much easier and less costly project to have a magazine delivered online. You are hardly going to find a more, um, wired group than western English teachers. |
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brier
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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Fully agree here. Tilting at windmills...there seems to be no point to print publications anymore. Let's start a website... call it 11-webzine or some such.
Major newspapers and magazines all over the globe are downsizing or closing their doors. Revere speaks Korean very well, but his business savvy is in need of a boost. |
I disagree. The magizine is aimed at in my opinion at expats and visitors alike. I get mine free at the local pub, and like all the free newspaper given out in the mornings here, it the adverts that pay for most of the overhead I can only imagine. It is also nice to hold the reading materials in your hands. I guess some have pixal-addled needs that others don't. |
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Bondrock
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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I am not sure if i understand you point here. Are you saying that it is disappointing that I did not allow my kids to be paraded around on TV like trained bears to amuse the Korean viewers? |
Again, you're taking the attitude of the trained bear, the pet, the mascot, the less than a human - an attitude I ultimately reject as childish, unnecessary and completely over the top. Stop whining and just go on the bloody telly, for heaven's sake. I think it�s a wasted opportunity. If your kids were amongst the first Caucasians to receive a Korean schooling, then many serious observers and media would be very interested in hearing your experiences and ideas. Pitiable and humbling as it may seem to be on Korean TV in a hanbok answering questions about kimchi, it may have been a stepping stone to more serious media � a golden opportunity for all concerned. There's nothing to be gained by staying home being Mr Grumpy. |
since you don't know me you can hardly comment on my character or call me Mr. Grumpy.
If the media was trustworthy and accurately portrayed my opinions I would happily go on TV and also would have allowed my children to be on there. But, the sad truth is, they only want people to comment on how good kimchi is and show white faces doing stupid pet tricks.
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When I lived in China and would go to restaurants they constantly insisted that we sit by the window. That kind of treatment gets very tiring. I am not some zoo animal to be gawked at.
I am not a grumpy guy at all. I am just an average guy who wants to live a normal life. Thankfully, I live in a yuppie community now, here in Korea, and I don't have to put up with any of the jaw-dropping stares that foreigners used to receive back in the day. Nowadays no one gives me a second look and that is exactly how I like it. |
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buildbyflying
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: To your right. No, your other right.
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Why would anyone want to start a print journal in the first place? Print magazines are migrating to digital faster than ever.
Navigate bureaucracy for what? To find that your medium is dead? That you could have published online with no entanglements?
I'm sorry, it doesn't make any sense. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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dirving
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:48 am Post subject: Gordon Lightfoot and Steve Revere |
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| Canada also talks about being an open and multicultural society yet no more than 20% of a media company can be foreign-owned. |
That's true. We've also had these cheesy Can-con rules to force media outlets to play and promote Canadian artists, so that I had to grow up hearing crappy Anne Murray and Gordon Lightfoot songs every fifteen minutes (although this is how Heart got big!).
I am not questioning the statistic, but I would like to know whether a small-run magazine or regional radio station would be under the same restrictions. I would think a magazine aimed at expats is hardly of a nature to threaten Korean control of its media space. I guess those would be difficult distinctions to make. And again, to me it would be a much easier and less costly project to have a magazine delivered online. You are hardly going to find a more, um, wired group than western English teachers. |
Wow, Gordon's pretty excellent, and I'm a little bit surprised to finally read anti-Gord words from a Canadian.
Mr. Revere was pretty nice when I met him a couple of times. His mag is not the greatest... Anyway, he seemed like a sincere and kind man. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Hehe, Mr Wonderful, formally ASmith of Dave's ESL Cafe is spitting chips right now. Revere ran a poll of the most popular blogs in Korea. An Idiot's Tale came second and Revere refused to acknowledge him in print. Mr. Wonderful is pissed. Kind of a dick move by Revere. But what are ya gunna do? |
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dirving
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Mister Wonderful's feelings about Steve are understandable. |
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The Happy Warrior
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| The Korean government's attitude is reflective of Korean society at large. But its the gov't's pre-globalization mindset that impelled me to abandon Korea. I know people who do business in Korea despite the impediments, and they seem happy enough since they are on good terms with a very influential Korean. |
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