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nautilus
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| Arthur Dent wrote: |
The article posted does not say so but this is the same whale involved in the death of a trainer at Victoria BC's Sealand, which closed after the incident. |
Serial Killer Whale. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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I know what we're all thinking. "What does Christianity, the religion of forgiveness and peace, have to say about this situation?" Well, here's our answer
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| Chalk another death up to animal rights insanity and to the ongoing failure of the West to take counsel on practical matters from the Scripture. [...] Says the ancient civil code of Israel, �When an ox gores a man or woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner shall not be liable.� (Exodus 21:28) So, your animal kills somebody, your moral responsibility is to put that animal to death. You have no moral culpability in the death, because you didn�t know the animal was going to go postal on somebody. But, the Scripture soberly warns, if one of your animals kills a second time because you didn�t kill it after it claimed its first human victim, this time you die right along with your animal. To use the example from Exodus, if your ox kills a second time, �the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death.� (Exodus 21:29) |
So Christianity's answer is that the whale should have been executed after it's first killing, and because it wasn't, this time the owner of the whale should be executed. Wise, forgiving words indeed. And as the article itself points out, this isn't some fringe group; many of our nations politicians involve themselves with it. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
I know what we're all thinking. "What does Christianity, the religion of forgiveness and peace, have to say about this situation?" Well, here's our answer
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Chalk another death up to animal rights insanity and to the ongoing failure of the West to take counsel on practical matters from the Scripture. [...] Says the ancient civil code of Israel, �When an ox gores a man or woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner shall not be liable.� (Exodus 21:2 So, your animal kills somebody, your moral responsibility is to put that animal to death. You have no moral culpability in the death, because you didn�t know the animal was going to go postal on somebody. But, the Scripture soberly warns, if one of your animals kills a second time because you didn�t kill it after it claimed its first human victim, this time you die right along with your animal. To use the example from Exodus, if your ox kills a second time, �the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death.� (Exodus 21:29) |
So Christianity's answer is that the whale should have been executed after it's first killing, and because it wasn't, this time the owner of the whale should be executed. Wise, forgiving words indeed. And as the article itself points out, this isn't some fringe group; many of our nations politicians involve themselves with it. |
I'm guessing it would be pretty hard to stone a whale to death. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
I know what we're all thinking. "What does Christianity, the religion of forgiveness and peace, have to say about this situation?" Well, here's our answer
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| Chalk another death up to animal rights insanity and to the ongoing failure of the West to take counsel on practical matters from the Scripture. [...] Says the ancient civil code of Israel, �When an ox gores a man or woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner shall not be liable.� (Exodus 21:2 So, your animal kills somebody, your moral responsibility is to put that animal to death. You have no moral culpability in the death, because you didn�t know the animal was going to go postal on somebody. But, the Scripture soberly warns, if one of your animals kills a second time because you didn�t kill it after it claimed its first human victim, this time you die right along with your animal. To use the example from Exodus, if your ox kills a second time, �the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death.� (Exodus 21:29) |
So Christianity's answer is that the whale should have been executed after it's first killing, and because it wasn't, this time the owner of the whale should be executed. Wise, forgiving words indeed. And as the article itself points out, this isn't some fringe group; many of our nations politicians involve themselves with it. |
Except that isn't Christianity's answer that's the Jewish answer. According to this logic Christians should also follow the Jewish dietary code laid out in the OT. In fact Christianity didn't even come about until New Testament times (which incidentally supersedes the Old).
Here's just one example.
The OT stated that people caught in adultery should be stoned. But in the NT when some people bought before Jesus a woman caught in adultery and asked whether he thought she should be stoned, Jesus replied "Let who is without sin among you cast the first stone." They all slunk away quietly. Jesus then asked the woman where her accusers were, and she replied that they are all gone. Jesus then told her to go in peace and sin no more.
Christianity's founder didn't call for stoning in other words.
You do have a point about the article and I agree that too many of our/America's religious "leaders" (and some followers) nowadays tend to be more OT in their thinking then NT or more specifically Christ-like. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I understand the distinction you're trying to make, but with so many Christians lending weight to the Old Testament (going as far as to base criticisms of scientific theories upon it), what is one to do? Simply say these guys don't count as Christians? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I understand the distinction you're trying to make, but with so many Christians lending weight to the Old Testament (going as far as to base criticisms of scientific theories upon it), what is one to do? Simply say these guys don't count as Christians? |
I think it would be fairer to say that most are probably just misguided...there are better ways to go about criticizing scientific theories (see the AGW thread). Some are definitely trying to push an agenda, but I don't know that I'd go as far as saying they don't count as Christians...I don't qualify to cast the first stone here. I'd say their actions are/were unChristian and leave it at that.
Anyway I don't want to get into a discussion about religion...the mods tend to frown on that...happy to entertain serious PM's if you want clarification. |
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