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Reggie
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Police in the Emirates should be more suspicious of people with Irish passports. If people can use Irish passports in this manner once, it can happen again. Obviously, it doesn't have to be the exact same people from the last assassination team.  |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: |
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So if the opinion in Britain, Ireland (hypothetically) is that Mossad did do it...then we should be softening support for Israel quite a bit.
I don't think it will endanger Ireland, but I don't like these thugs using our passports.
edit: i mean opinion of our intelligence agencies of course. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
| Police in the Emirates should be more suspicious of people with Irish passports. |
Rather, the individuals responsible for checking passports upon entry to Dubai need to be provided with a better system for doing so. The Irish passports were totally fraudulent, with their passport numbers not even using the proper formatting.
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| If people can use Irish passports in this manner once, it can happen again. |
If the UAE doesn't change how it handles passport evaluation, why would they use Irish passports again? It's pretty clear you can just make a false passport that vaguely resembles the passport of any nation and have it accepted based on what they did with the Irish passports; they have insufficient verification procedures. Nothing specifically about the passports they used warrants additional scrutiny for passport holders of those types; any passport could be faked the way they faked the ones they used.
If the Dubai police start scrutinizing passport holders from specific nations more thoroughly as a result of this, they're stupidly wasting their own time and resources. Next time it could just as easily be Austrian, Greek, and Swiss passports (for example). |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
So if the opinion in Britain, Ireland (hypothetically) is that Mossad did do it...then we should be softening support for Israel quite a bit.
I don't think it will endanger Ireland, but I don't like these thugs using our passports.
edit: i mean opinion of our intelligence agencies of course. |
Their use of false passports doesn't meaningfully affect your citizens at all. There are lots of good hypothetical reasons to soften support for Israel, but this isn't one of them. If they had actually robbed your citizens of their government issued passports (which amounts to theft of government property), that would be one thing, but they didn't. They simply -- very crudely -- crafted passports which roughly resembled those of your countries. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Reggie wrote: |
| Police in the Emirates should be more suspicious of people with Irish passports. |
Rather, the individuals responsible for checking passports upon entry to Dubai need to be provided with a better system for doing so. The Irish passports were totally fraudulent, with their passport numbers not even using the proper formatting.
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Which would seem to be more along the lines of hit men from an amateur organization...Mossad strikes me as somewhat more professional about such things given what it's been able to do in the past. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Mossad did it.
The Dubai Police Chief said
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| he is now "100%, not 99% sure" that the Mossad were involved in the murder, |
Deal with it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
Mossad did it.
The Dubai Police Chief said
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| he is now "100%, not 99% sure" that the Mossad were involved in the murder, |
Deal with it. |
Being "sure" is not the same thing as providing proof.
If someone were to say he was 100% sure that you committed a crime...is that proof positive you actually committed the crime?
Man, the leaps in logic some people will take to justify their anti-Israel propaganda on this board are truly astounding. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
Mossad did it.
The Dubai Police Chief said
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| he is now "100%, not 99% sure" that the Mossad were involved in the murder, |
Deal with it. |
Being "sure" is not the same thing as providing proof.
If someone were to say he was 100% sure that you committed a crime...is that proof positive you actually committed the crime?
Man, the leaps in logic some people will take to justify their anti-Israel propaganda on this board are truly astounding. |
Glad I got a snapshot of that  Priceless!
You can believe some random internet constant Israeli apologist or the Dubai Police Chief. Should I make a poll? |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Every white tourist and businessman will be looked upon with suspicion in Dubai for the forseeable future. Israel is to Dubai what CPN is to South Korea -- one criminal putting all white people under a cloud of suspicion.
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Which would seem to be more along the lines of hit men from an amateur organization...Mossad strikes me as somewhat more professional about such things given what it's been able to do in the past. |
The Mossad killed an innocent waiter in Norway and they got arrested. The team in Dubai was a lot more competent than the Mossad team in Norway.
I really don't think any of us would condone our own governments using false passports of other countries in this manner. Just because it's Israel who did it doesn't justify it. I don't see how someone who criticizes these obvious crimes is anti-Israel anymore than someone criticizing CPN and his crimes is anti-Canada. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
| I really don't think any of us would condone our own governments using false passports of other countries in this manner. |
So long as the passports were forged rather than stolen, I'd take no particular issue with it; the forging of passports is by far the most trivial aspect of this case. Only a dedicated anti-Israeli would take serious offense at it; even the governments whose passports were forged aren't doing anything about it in terms of their relations with Israel, and the only reason anti-Israelis are even making a big deal about it is because it's almost impossible to justify an ethical complaint against Israel for assassinating a man who kidnapped and murdered Israelis.
If the target had been an otherwise innocent man whose assassination was actually worthy of particular ethical condemnation, we wouldn't be hearing much about this passport issue, because the anti-Israelis would have a genuine basis for attacking Israel instead of having to make a mountain out of a molehill. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
Mossad did it.
The Dubai Police Chief said
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| he is now "100%, not 99% sure" that the Mossad were involved in the murder, |
Deal with it. |
Being "sure" is not the same thing as providing proof.
If someone were to say he was 100% sure that you committed a crime...is that proof positive you actually committed the crime?
Man, the leaps in logic some people will take to justify their anti-Israel propaganda on this board are truly astounding. |
Glad I got a snapshot of that Priceless!
You can believe some random internet constant Israeli apologist or the Dubai Police Chief. Should I make a poll? |
I don't know why you saved a snapshot of you being silly. Let me walk you through it.
For example if I were to say:
Well bacasper I'm 100% sure you are on the FBI's most wanted list
...does that make it a fact?
And just because some ARAB police chief is 100% sure the Israelis did it, doesn't make it a fact either.
And going the other way and assuming they did do it...so what?
Some dangerous terrorist is dead. Those who live by the sword die by the sword. If you go around kidnapping and murdering other people, it's reasonable to expect the same fate for yourself someday. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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He is not "some" Arab police chief, but the one in charge of the investigation.
If the roles were reversed, this guy would be on here saying, "Well, the Israeli police chief knows more about the situation than you or I so I am going by that."
So transparent. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
He is not "some" Arab police chief, but the one in charge of the investigation.
If the roles were reversed, this guy would be on here saying, "Well, the Israeli police chief knows more about the situation than you or I so I am going by that."
So transparent. |
And not content with ignoring logic, you now claim to be able to read my mind AND look into alternate futures.
Where will it end? |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| All the passports were of dual Israeli-Euro citizens. A little suspicious? |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: |
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One can only imagine the outcry from Israel and Jews around the world if the German government would've killed someone and the killers had used Israeli passports.  |
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