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[mithridates]

I suppose it has a lot to do with the fact that Armenia is an actual country next to Turkey that is capable of making demands and everything else sovereign countries do, while Native Americans are much more fragmented and so it's pretty easy to just feel sorry while not having to do much about it. Armenia and Azerbaijan (pretty much Turkey's cousin) have the Nagorno-Karabakh problem for example where Armenia moved in in the 90s and now it's one of those unrecognized but de facto republics locked in a frozen conflict.

So I suppose a good analogy might be Noriega and Panama, except pretend that Noriega was the leader of an independent country populated with Native Americans that moved in to take a piece of allied Panama.

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[Rteacher]

It was definitely a genocide - my grandmother was forced to march in the desert and two of her young kids starved to death. She and her surviving son were taken in (at the risk of being severely prosecuted for sheltering Armenians) by a sympathetic Muslim family in Istanbul.
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/history/centers/armenian/source109.html
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/research.html

Some Jews - with a lot more media and political clout in the U.S. - seem to resent it when other ethnic groups claim to also be victims of genocide.

The specifically American tension between the Holocaust as unique to Jews or universal to human suffering became even clearer in 1989, whenAmerican Jews Elie Wiesel, Alan Dershowitz, and Arthur Hertzberg withdrew from a Tel Aviv conference on genocide because the organizers refused to remove a session dealing with the Armenian Case of 1915. Commenting in a letter in The Washington Jewish Week, December 7, 1989, Mark Epstein reflected the views of many others when he wrote that comparing the mass killings in Armenia in 1915 to the Nazi genocide of the Jews threatens to subvert the distinctiveness (he does not say uniqueness) of the Holocaust. While there may have been good reasons to contest the inclusion of the Armenian Case, I think given Epstein's explanation (I do not know whether Wiesel, Dershowitz, and Hertzberg agreed) we can once again see the dilemma of American Jewry's desire to attest to the universalization (and thus the Americanization) of the Holocaust while at the same time wanting to maintain exclusive rights to it as a particular, and exclusive, Jewish tragedy
http://www.jewcy.com/post/american_holocaust_and_american_jewish_dilemma

[bucheon bum]

[NovaKart]

Someone on my facebook page posted a video about the Azeri children killed by Armenians during the 1992 war with Azerbaijan. It's from an ultra-nationalist facebook page. It opens with a picture of Ataturk and the Turkish flag (not the Azerbaijani flag) and then plays a song about Azerbaijan while showing pictures of dead kids. The title of the video says "Hepimiz Ermeniyiz diyenler, hepiniz serefsizsiniz" - They say we're all Armenians, you're all without honor - if my translation is correct.

The page it comes from is mostly full of videos about how the Turkish flag is the most beautiful and about martyrs and it has tons of photos of Ataturk and the Turkish flag with slogans about martyrs (soldiers killed by the PKK).

It has another video about the Khojaly Massacre that occurred during the conflict over Karabakh and it says "Bir gun Ermeniler de hesap verecek" - One day the Armenians will be given the bill back.

I hope this just stays confined to Facebook bravado but I think this might increase.

[mithridates]

[Rteacher]

These facebook photos are truly shocking (and include some of my relatives...)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=feed&story_fbid=341704918615&id=743273615#!/group.php?v=photos&ref=nf&gid=2228667310

[bucheon bum]

[Rteacher]

Well, I try not to overly identify with my material designations, and I think that most young people in the U.S. (and Canada) are more concerned with Keeping Up With the Kardashians than they are with any resolution about the apparent genocide that occurred way before their parents were born.