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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| mises wrote: |
We live in an age of Big Lies. Everything is a lie and a scam. Sad, but true. When the government (any government) makes a claim it must be assumed a lie. |
Or we could assume that your cynicism has got the better of you and that you've crossed over into delusion land . Personally, I prefer not to assume either and wait for the evidence. |
Can you give us an example of when the government has told the truth? |
I could, but I'm not going to . |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| jaykimf wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| jaykimf wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
We live in an age of Big Lies. Everything is a lie and a scam. Sad, but true. When the government (any government) makes a claim it must be assumed a lie. |
Or we could assume that your cynicism has got the better of you and that you've crossed over into delusion land . Personally, I prefer not to assume either and wait for the evidence. |
Can you give us an example of when the government has told the truth? |
I could, but I'm not going to . |
Still waiting for the evidence? |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| jaykimf wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| jaykimf wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
We live in an age of Big Lies. Everything is a lie and a scam. Sad, but true. When the government (any government) makes a claim it must be assumed a lie. |
Or we could assume that your cynicism has got the better of you and that you've crossed over into delusion land . Personally, I prefer not to assume either and wait for the evidence. |
Can you give us an example of when the government has told the truth? |
I could, but I'm not going to . |
Still waiting for the evidence? |
I'm not going to waste my time. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| jaykimf wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| jaykimf wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
We live in an age of Big Lies. Everything is a lie and a scam. Sad, but true. When the government (any government) makes a claim it must be assumed a lie. |
Or we could assume that your cynicism has got the better of you and that you've crossed over into delusion land . Personally, I prefer not to assume either and wait for the evidence. |
Can you give us an example of when the government has told the truth? |
I could, but I'm not going to . |
Zing! |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| jaykimf wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| jaykimf wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| jaykimf wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
We live in an age of Big Lies. Everything is a lie and a scam. Sad, but true. When the government (any government) makes a claim it must be assumed a lie. |
Or we could assume that your cynicism has got the better of you and that you've crossed over into delusion land . Personally, I prefer not to assume either and wait for the evidence. |
Can you give us an example of when the government has told the truth? |
I could, but I'm not going to . |
Still waiting for the evidence? |
I'm not going to waste my time. |
You already are. In fact, you have already wasted more time refusing to do it than if you had simply answered the question. We'll just take your word for it.
OK, everybody. The government has told the truth at least once, but it is a big secret when that was.  |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| The bird flu hysteria was a similar case. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Flu Shots in Children Can Help Community
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
An unusual study done in 49 remote Hutterite farming colonies in western Canada has provided the surest proof yet that giving flu shots to schoolchildren protects a whole community from the disease.
Although previous studies have demonstrated what scientists call �herd immunity,� none have been so incontrovertible, because they were done in less isolated places with more sources of flu passing through. Also, only one other study, done 42 years ago, immunized over 80 percent of a community�s children, as this one did. Success repeated in many separate communities with very high vaccination rates implies that the shots themselves � rather than luck, viral mutations, hand-washing or any other factor � were the crucial protective element.
The study, done by scientists from several Canadian universities and St. Jude�s Children�s Research Hospital in Tennessee, was paid for by the governments of Canada and the United States. It was published online Tuesday by The Journal of the American Medical Association.
�This is quite a definitive study, and it took a Herculean effort,� said Dr. Carolyn B. Bridges, an expert in influenza epidemiology at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. �My hat�s off to them.�
Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which supported the project, called it �a really nice study� and added that, even though it was done with seasonal flu shots in the 2008-9 winter, its results validated the American government�s decision to vaccinate children first during the recent swine flu pandemic.
�Not only was that clearly needed to protect the kids, but they probably wound up protecting the older people, too,� Dr. Fauci said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/health/10flu.html?hp |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/04/AR2010060403034.html
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Reports accuse WHO of exaggerating H1N1 threat, possible ties to drug makers
European criticism of the World Health Organization's handling of the H1N1 pandemic intensified Friday with the release of two reports that accused the agency of exaggerating the threat posed by the virus and failing to disclose possible influence by the pharmaceutical industry on its recommendations for how countries should respond.
The WHO's response caused widespread, unnecessary fear and prompted countries around the world to waste millions of dollars, according to one report. At the same time, the Geneva-based arm of the United Nations relied on advice from experts with ties to drug makers in developing the guidelines it used to encourage countries to stockpile millions of doses of antiviral medications, according to the second report.
The reports outlined the drumbeat of criticism that has arisen, primarily in Europe, of how the world's leading health organization responded to the first influenza pandemic in more than four decades.
"For WHO, its credibility has been badly damaged," wrote Fiona Godlee, the editor of the BMJ, a prominent British medical journal, that published one of the reports. "WHO must act now to restore its credibility." |
Who fell for it? Hands up. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I certainly didn't run off and get vaccinated over this little scare, but I didn't cry foul on governments doing things like buying H1N1 vaccine with taxpayer money, so I guess to that extent I fell for it. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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mises, you got it right the first time:
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| We live in an age of Big Lies. Everything is a lie and a scam. Sad, but true. When the government (any government) makes a claim it must be assumed a lie. |
That is a very good working first approximation, until shown otherwise.
Everything you know is wrong. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Had the Swine Flu gone the other way and govt's not been prepared, dollars to donuts, the same posters would have been here ranting and raving about how useless gov'ts are because they didn't prepare.
It's just a little too convenient. |
Not as convenient as ignoring the fact that this is the SECOND time we've had a swine flu hoax perpetrated on us, complete with dangerous vaccines that kill people and cause Guillain�Barr� syndrome (the first one, in the 1976 resulted in 25X more deaths from the vaccine itself than from the flu).
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Not to mention cause miscarriages:
Possibly over Three Thousand Miscarriages: CDC Still Lying about H1N1 Vaccine Safety
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 by: Tony Isaacs, citizen journalist
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| (NaturalNews) In a shocking report, the National Coalition of Organized Women (NCOW) presented data in September from two different sources demonstrating that the 2009/10 H1N1 vaccines contributed to as many as 3,587 cases of miscarriage and still deaths. Despite having the data, the CDC has continued to assure pregnant women, a prime vaccine target group, and vaccine providers that the vaccine presents no risk for pregnant women. |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Space Bar wrote: |
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Had the Swine Flu gone the other way and govt's not been prepared, dollars to donuts, the same posters would have been here ranting and raving about how useless gov'ts are because they didn't prepare.
It's just a little too convenient. |
Not as convenient as ignoring the fact that this is the SECOND time we've had a swine flu hoax perpetrated on us, complete with dangerous vaccines that kill people and cause Guillain�Barr� syndrome (the first one, in the 1976 resulted in 25X more deaths from the vaccine itself than from the flu).
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Not to mention cause miscarriages:
Possibly over Three Thousand Miscarriages: CDC Still Lying about H1N1 Vaccine Safety
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 by: Tony Isaacs, citizen journalist
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| (NaturalNews) In a shocking report, the National Coalition of Organized Women (NCOW) presented data in September from two different sources demonstrating that the 2009/10 H1N1 vaccines contributed to as many as 3,587 cases of miscarriage and still deaths. Despite having the data, the CDC has continued to assure pregnant women, a prime vaccine target group, and vaccine providers that the vaccine presents no risk for pregnant women. |
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"When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event. "
http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index
"Many medical researchers make use of VAERS to study the effects of vaccination. VAERS warns researchers using its database that the data should not be used in isolation to draw conclusions about cause and effect.[2] Nonetheless, data from VAERS has been used in vaccine litigation to support the claim that vaccines cause autism.
Litigation related to vaccines and autism has led to an increase in VAERS reports filed by plaintiff's attorneys. A 2006 article in Pediatrics found that most VAERS reports related to thimerosal, and many related to autism, were filed in connection with litigation, leading the authors to caution that inappropriate reliance on VAERS data may be a source of bias.[3] The study's lead author stated: "Lawyers are manipulating this system to show increases [in vaccine-related adverse events] that are based on litigation, not health research."[4] Paul Offit, chief of infectious disease at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, wrote:
Public health officials were disappointed to learn that reports of autism to VAERS weren't coming from parents, doctors, nurses, or nurse practitioners; they were coming from personal-injury lawyers... For the lawyers, VAERS reports hadn't been a self-fulfilling prophecy; they'd been a self-generated prophecy.[4]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reporting_System |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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One of the most censored stories of the year.
11. The H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: Manipulating Data to Enrich Drug Companies
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The H1N1 virus has spawned widespread panic and fear throughout the world. However, upon closer examination, many of the claims made by the World Health Organization (WHO) seem to be based on weak and incomplete data. The Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has created and used data to grossly exaggerate the need for an expensive and unnecessary vaccine aimed at creating profits for the pharmaceutical industry�not protecting Americans.
The WHO claimed that a worldwide public health emergency had unfolded on an unprecedented scale in 2009, and 4.9 billion doses of H1N1 swine flu vaccine were needed to stop the spread. Very soon thereafter countries all around the globe began preparation for the inoculation of millions of people in accordance with WHO recommendations. In some countries the WHO recommended that the H1N1 vaccination be mandatory. However, most people were unaware that the data used by the WHO was faulty at best.
In the US, both federal and state governments began preparation for the pandemic. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom
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| ... an elaborate financial scam whose goal was to transfer wealth from the People to the shareholders of Big Pharma. |
Indeed. And right on the heels of the Wall Street bailouts which also utilized overhyped scare tactics (the system will collapse! armageddon! longterm recession!). The catalyzing incidents themselves are largely fabricated in a not so wacky, not so hidden conspiracy of interests clothed in ideology. They all steal a page from the 9/11 playbook. Big Pharma, Wall Street, the Oil and Arms Industry, all are akin in their fear-for-profit strategy.
I started to suspect that government was rooting for the other side (big business over the people) when widespread privatization of government services happened in the 90s in the name of efficiency: all I saw was public funds from taxpayers lining the pockets of private companies getting rich on redistributed taxes. And don't get me started on deregulation in the 80s! The private affairs of elected officials is a media-supported smokescreen for the real scandals in government. And things are simply getting worse. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. |
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