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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: consequences of quitting early in 2nd, 3rd, etc year??? |
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Hi.
I'm curious as to the consequences of leaving early during one's later years.. for e.g. at the same public school.
I may have a situation where something I can't afford to pass up may arise later this year, but I can't "bank" on it just yet as the wheels seems to be moving slower than anticipated , so will probably stay here teaching until it does come up.
My basic questions are - what are the financial consequences of leaving early if you've been here more than one year?
I assume the severance is prorated for the years you've been at the same place. Eg.. if I leave after 2.5 years.. I get 2 years severance and give up my 3rd year's, etc.
I assume national pension is prorated and I simply take out what I've put in.
the biggest question is what about the take home leave and flight money given for flight home, etc. Would I have to give that back before 6 months was up? if I didn't complete the entire year?
or what?
I don't want to screw anyone over, especially at my current school where I have been magnificently treated, and should this arise, I will recruit my replacement personally to spare them the trouble. However, I can't be 100% sure my can't miss opportunity may arise, so I have to cover my bases in the meantime.
if anyone can elucidate re my questions, I'd appreciate it. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Location: somewhere in China
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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If they paid for you to go home and come back, then that was done because they expected you to finish that contract period you are in coming back for. So, you should pay it back.
However, if you stayed in Korea, then they haven't given you anything extra.
The other stuff you mentioned seems to be correct, establish a letter of release being given if you want to come back before the year is up.
If you can explain more of what this opportunity is, more feedback can be given. |
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tokkibunni8
Joined: 13 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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If you leave before completing 6 months, you must pay back half of that roundtrip ticket.
On severance pay, you haven't recieved your severance for teh first two years completed? You're suppose get that on the last day of each contract.
For pension, you get what you have put in plus what your school has matched.
Give them 30 days notice if you're leaving early and get a letter of release. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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aha.. 6 months.. That makes sense. Thank you!
it's basically a non teaching gig in a different Asian country, that I couldn't pass up because my pay would be double or more, I'd get housing and the cost of living would be lower.
However, though I've been provisionally hired, I can't get a formal job offer until my small group/project receives their funding and has money in the bank. They're already lagging by 2 months on when they were supposed to get their money.
So, my stance now is I'll believe it when I see it and won't count on it.
thanks again.
no... I haven't gotten any severance pay, but I've been with the same school, so my assumption was that I'd get the entire severance, for whatever number of years owed when I left. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Location: somewhere in China
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| If you leave before completing 6 months, you must pay back half of that roundtrip ticket. |
That's only for first time teachers (in their first year). If you have been at the same school as the original poster, you do NOT have to pay back the flight if you didn't go home between contract periods where the school paid for it.
This is my understanding.
Also, I understand you can now transfer schools after 6 months. Recruiters have told me this is a new rule this year. So, you could transfer and then if you have a job elsewhere, leave that school. You could get out of paying back the flight if you are a first timer this way. It won't help here with the original poster, but it's something to consider if you get a crap job and need to leave the school. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
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| If you leave before completing 6 months, you must pay back half of that roundtrip ticket. |
That's only for first time teachers (in their first year). If you have been at the same school as the original poster, you do NOT have to pay back the flight if you didn't go home between contract periods where the school paid for it.
This is my understanding.
Also, I understand you can now transfer schools after 6 months. Recruiters have told me this is a new rule this year. So, you could transfer and then if you have a job elsewhere, leave that school. You could get out of paying back the flight if you are a first timer this way. It won't help here with the original poster, but it's something to consider if you get a crap job and need to leave the school. |
aha.. ok.
yea I know I wouldn't have to repay my flight here.. I was talking about the renewal courtesy flight. So I'm on the hook for that for the entire year, eh? hmm.. well.. ok.
I did NOT know about the 6 month transfer rule! This is interesting!
any more 411 on that? |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Location: somewhere in China
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| So I'm on the hook for that for the entire year, eh? hmm.. well.. ok. |
I don't know what you mean by "entire". I am going to present this as an argument you can pose to your school, because there will have to be some negotiating.
Normally, you pay nothing or get reimbursed. One flight to Korea, one flight home. 2 flights total.
In your case, they paid for a flight home as they were expected to. They paid their 2 flights. Now, there are 2 more flights in question (returning to Korea, and then one later on where you would leave). Did they pay anything extra for you to come back (the third flight)? That extra amount is what you definitely should pay back since they only paid for it with the understanding you would do another year. The 4th flight hasn't taken place and therefore you should not have to pay for it.
Since the pension and severance are more concrete things you could fight for, I would try to get this flight thing sorted. I don't know the rules of what the school has to pay, so they could pay the pension and severance, screwing you on the flight money.
I don't have much more info on transferring visas after 6 months, because I haven't tried it. However, I did speak with several recruiters during new year's break. A few told me 9 months unless I go to Daegu. The people who managed me told me 6 months, so I talked to more recruiters. Finally, I talked with one who I feel was giving me good information about this. The best thing would be for someone who wants to to try this and is on good terms with their school.
All you need to do is transfer your current visa and extend it. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
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| So I'm on the hook for that for the entire year, eh? hmm.. well.. ok. |
I don't know what you mean by "entire". I am going to present this as an argument you can pose to your school, because there will have to be some negotiating.
Normally, you pay nothing or get reimbursed. One flight to Korea, one flight home. 2 flights total.
In your case, they paid for a flight home as they were expected to. They paid their 2 flights. Now, there are 2 more flights in question (returning to Korea, and then one later on where you would leave). Did they pay anything extra for you to come back (the third flight)? That extra amount is what you definitely should pay back since they only paid for it with the understanding you would do another year. The 4th flight hasn't taken place and therefore you should not have to pay for it.
Since the pension and severance are more concrete things you could fight for, I would try to get this flight thing sorted. I don't know the rules of what the school has to pay, so they could pay the pension and severance, screwing you on the flight money.
I don't have much more info on transferring visas after 6 months, because I haven't tried it. However, I did speak with several recruiters during new year's break. A few told me 9 months unless I go to Daegu. The people who managed me told me 6 months, so I talked to more recruiters. Finally, I talked with one who I feel was giving me good information about this. The best thing would be for someone who wants to to try this and is on good terms with their school.
All you need to do is transfer your current visa and extend it. |
well there was my flight to Korea , which has already been paid for and I won't need to re-imburse since I've been here more than 1 year at same place.
there will be the flight back "home" to return home and stay (though in my case, it may not be home but another country in Asia). I assume this will also be paid for, EVEN if I don't finish off a 3rd contract, because i finished the previous 2.
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Which leaves the last matter of the "courtesy" there and back flight one gets if one renews the contract. I gather this is the one you said you have to be repaid, and I understand the accept the logic in this instance. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think your severance is likely to be pro-rated. You should get full severance for the 2 completed years (this is how it's meant to work, but most schools pay the severance at the end of the contract rather than the end of employment at that school(how is it "severance if you continue working there)), but if you leave half way through the the 3rd contract you shouldn't be eligible for severance for that year. Though, if it were me, I would definitely ask for it. They might be ignorant of the rules or generous. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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To cover your bases:
If your school is going to pay for a return flight - make sure they pay to your country - not your new Asian destination.
I always get my airfare to my orginal home country - but I include a stopover in Thailand (where I actually live). That way, if I have an emergency in Thailand, and I have to return home, my school has already paid for the complete flight.
This strategy works - as once a Thai hotel owner robbed me of everything - (all I had left was busfare to the airport and my flight ticket to my original home country).
This could happen to you (if your new job doesn't pan out). As we all know, there's a big difference between what Asian employers say - and what actually happens.
Good luck. |
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009 Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| If you haven't received a severance yet, and have been working at the same school for 2.5 years, then you would receive 2.5 months of salary. It isn't paid per year, but for your total time there. You just have to be with the same employer for 1+ years to be eligible. Good luck! |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| cincynate wrote: |
| If you haven't received a severance yet, and have been working at the same school for 2.5 years, then you would receive 2.5 months of salary. It isn't paid per year, but for your total time there. You just have to be with the same employer for 1+ years to be eligible. Good luck! |
that'd be nice.
However, I suspect any fraction won't get paid out.
Which is ok/understandeable by me. |
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Morgen

Joined: 02 Jul 2008
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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What cincynate said is correct, and the law. If you make, for example, 2 million a month for 2.5 years and have never gotten a severance payment, you're owed 2.5 months' salary, as an average (I believe) of your last three months of employment. If you're American your pension is a straightforward payout, so as long as it's deducted from your paycheck (all the months of your employment), you can have that refunded.
You won't have to pay back any of your roundtrip flight if you can hang on until six months, but your exit flight won't be paid for unless you finish your contract. Speaking of that, a perusal of it should answer some of these questions for you. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Morgen wrote: |
What cincynate said is correct, and the law. If you make, for example, 2 million a month for 2.5 years and have never gotten a severance payment, you're owed 2.5 months' salary, as an average (I believe) of your last three months of employment. If you're American your pension is a straightforward payout, so as long as it's deducted from your paycheck (all the months of your employment), you can have that refunded.
You won't have to pay back any of your roundtrip flight if you can hang on until six months, but your exit flight won't be paid for unless you finish your contract. Speaking of that, a perusal of it should answer some of these questions for you. |
ok thanks.
I didn't remember the contract getting much into quit into renewal issues, etc. and figured it merely covered one's first year of employment. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Morgen wrote: |
What cincynate said is correct, and the law. If you make, for example, 2 million a month for 2.5 years and have never gotten a severance payment, you're owed 2.5 months' salary, as an average (I believe) of your last three months of employment. If you're American your pension is a straightforward payout, so as long as it's deducted from your paycheck (all the months of your employment), you can have that refunded.
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I believe this to be wrong. The OP might be able to fill us in on his experience in the future. |
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