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UKsimon
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:53 am Post subject: How competitive will EPIK be in August? |
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Do you imagine it will be as competitive as the March (2010) EPIK?
I managed to get selected for the March start, but a late problem with my ref. letters meant that i lost my place.
I haven't managed to find a position since, so was wondering if it's worth waiting until EPIK later on in the year?
Are there any other programmes or options that might be worth considering?
Thanks,
Simon |
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JD_Tiberius
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:36 am Post subject: |
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What sort of problem did you have with your reference letters?
I'm hoping to get on the September intake too, I'm calculating that the intake might not be as high as last september because the job situation in western countries is marginally better than before and the outlook for the class of 2010 isn't quite as bleak as it was for the class of 2009. Trying to apply logic to humans is futile though so my predictions will probably be wrong and there will be a huge surge this autumn. |
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UKsimon
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:35 am Post subject: |
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My recruiter initially accepted all of my documents, stating they were fine. He went ahead and sent them off to EPIK.
At the last minute, he told me that EPIK were holding back my letter of appointment until i gave them ref. letters with official letterheads.
I had sent him scans of my ref. letters before hand with my concerns, but he assured me that they were fine (a lesson learnt on my behalf) and i didn't have to get new ones.
After i was told to get them again, it took too long so my place was lost.
Annoying really, seeing as i could be in Korea right now. |
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JD_Tiberius
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:07 am Post subject: |
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wow that sucks, good lesson learned though - always be skeptical of assurances. It sounds like you should avoid that recruiter next time to be honest. |
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bcjinseoul
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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From what I've read on the threads here in recent months, almost everything but the really bad hogwons (9-7, kindies, 2.1 M KRW a month, no benefits, 2 weeks vacation or less, etc.) seem competitive these days...unless you you're willing to settle for work in the middle of the country. I read that EPIK was going to hire 250 people for Busan during the August 2009 intake, but ended up only hiring half as many since so many people renewed. For the semester that just started, I've read on this forum months ago that there were A LOT of resumes for GEPIK, plus they're going through something of a series of budget cuts as well, so a whole bunch of people didn't make the cut...including a friend of mine who's been here a while and has a CELTA. I'm not looking to start any generational/age warfare on the internet, but there seems to be a trend in public schools (especially SMOE?) these days to hire fresh college graduates as supposed to a older, experienced teachers who have been here a few years... |
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chelle
Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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They are getting more selective, saw this:
*QUALIFICATION CHANGE*: EPIK is going to require all teachers to qualify for at least a level 2 salary. That means successful applicants must have one of the following at a minimum:
- Teacher�s License/TEFL/TESOL(100+ hours)/CELTA Certification.
- Bachelor�s degree in Education, English Education or English Language/Literature or Linguistics
- Bachelor�s degree in anything + 1 year full time teaching experience
- Master�s degree in any discipline
http://www.footprintsrecruiting.com/all-teaching-jobs/public-school-teaching-jobs-in-korea/172/public-school-positions-in-korea-all-re
Luckily it is easy to get a TEFL cert. |
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JD_Tiberius
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:28 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to take that for what it is and call BS on footprints part. A change in the requirements for EPIK is big news and every recruiter worth its salt would be mentioning it if it was true. They are the only recruiter that seems to be mentioning that "change" so it is just their requirement rather than EPIKs.
Yeah I am skeptical, and with very good reason. |
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JD_Tiberius
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:10 am Post subject: |
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I actually kind of feel your pain now. My former employer, who I asked 5 weeks ago very nicely to give me two references for the beginning of March has still not even got around to writing them. They were incredibly cavalier about it too. I stressed as best as a I could that I needed them urgently so that I could actually begin applying to EPIK through recruiters but I get the impression that they will still drag their heels over this. Its a catch-22 situation really. the more I keep on at them the less likely they are inclined to write one.
Missing out on a job opportunity because your referees don't give a crap/ don't do as you ask has to be the worst way to miss out. |
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airfilter
Joined: 22 Jan 2010 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I'm kind of nervous about it myself.
They are supposedly accepting applicants again beginning on April 1st, but they don't have all the required information put up yet.
I'm beginning to try to look at some of the other options. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Location: somewhere in China
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: |
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They are the only recruiter that seems to be mentioning that "change" so it is just their requirement rather than EPIKs. |
I agree, they told me they are now only recruiting teachers in Japan if they are already with Footprints. |
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WillTurnerinVanCity
Joined: 05 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject: Clarification |
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lifeinkorea wrote: |
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They are the only recruiter that seems to be mentioning that "change" so it is just their requirement rather than EPIKs. |
I agree, they told me they are now only recruiting teachers in Japan if they are already with Footprints. |
Hey - just to clarify. The Japan thing has nothing to do with your qualifications and we aren't saying that "you can never teach in Japan unless you go through Footprints" because we all know that isn't true. There are a million avenues to Japan and every other country for that matter.
There are significant differences in the visa regulations between the two countries. Visas in Japan provide you a lot more freedom to move between employers. Visas in Korea require you to work for the employer that sponsors you.
As a result of this, employers in Japan are less likely to work with Recruiters. This is not just Footprints, but all the other recruiters as well, which I'm sure you guys have noticed. This is also why most schools or companies in Japan have their own "recruitment departments."
Employers in Korea have more assurance that if they go through a recruiter, and pay a recruitment fee, that they will actually stay and teach, which is why Korean employers are more likely to go through a recruiter and why all the recruiters fight over the same Korean market.
We do have contacts in Japan, and we do have jobs there from time to time, but because they are limited in number, we use it as a means of rewarding the teachers who have represented us so well overseas. A lot of the schools that contact us from outside our core markets (South Korea, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia and Vietnam) are in areas where there is little to no money. A school in Brazil may not have a lot of money to pay a recruitment fee, and thus we can't spend a lot of our people resources working there, but for a teacher who has worked through us and represented us well, we don't mind working for free.
So we're not saying that the only way to teach in Japan is through Footprints, cause that would be silly. All we're saying is that if you want to work with us, you can choose from specific areas. Once you've taught through us, we'll happily help you out with some others.
-Will at Footprints |
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WillTurnerinVanCity
Joined: 05 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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JD_Tiberius wrote: |
I'm going to take that for what it is and call BS on footprints part. A change in the requirements for EPIK is big news and every recruiter worth its salt would be mentioning it if it was true. They are the only recruiter that seems to be mentioning that "change" so it is just their requirement rather than EPIKs.
Yeah I am skeptical, and with very good reason. |
Sorry - I meant to address this as well.
The public schools have gotten increasingly competitive every year. We know that for the last intake, the SMOE and GEPIK both indicated that they would only consider Level 2 applicants. We all know that there is a surplus of teachers going abroad, and many schools are raising the level of "minimum" qualifications. It is much harder for people with just a BA in an unrelated discipline.
We've also had indications that EPIK will follow suit with SMOE and GEPIK. Please understand that this is not 100% absolute. Some schools with GEPIK hire differently. SMOE, EPIK and all the rest might change the qualifications depending upon how many applicants they have in relation to the deadlines. There will always be somebody somewhere that is an exception to the rule. However - we have been informed that there is a strong possibility that EPIK may do the same thing for the August intake, and we're preparing our teachers for this.
Now - I have asked the Web Admin. to updated those pages to indicate that this is a likely scenario, not a 100% certainty. Saying that this is for sure a rule is misleading, so thank you for pointing it out.
Worse comes to worst - we're wrong, and we end up with a bunch of teachers with ESL certification applying for the public schools. They will probably get the job over somebody who doesn't have TESL, and they'll start at a higher salary level. If they don't get in, they have TESL certification that will help them in applying to the hagwons. This is not such a bad thing, so we're prepared to be wrong.
Now - if you're wrong, and we're not full of "BS," then all the people out there and all the recruiters out there who think that they can be placed without TESL certification will be in a tough spot. We all know how ESL hiring practices go, so this will likely be a last minute hiring bombshell, and may leave a lot of people high and dry. This is not what we want for our teachers. If we ignored this trend, and ignored what we're hearing, then we would certainly not be worth our "salt."
If anybody has questions - feel free to contact [email protected] and ask them. I'm happy to answer.
-Will at Footprints |
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