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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ooh, the judge let the evil, kidnapping, pedophile, child traffickers go! He must be one of them, too!
Missionaries freed by Haitian judge land in US
By DAVID FISCHER and FRANK BAJAK, Associated Press Writers � 35 mins ago
MIAMI � Eight American missionaries freed by a Haitian judge landed in Miami early Thursday, nearly three weeks after the group was charged with kidnapping for trying to take 33 children out of the quake-stricken country.
A U.S. Air Force C-130 cargo plane carrying the Americans landed at 12:04 a.m. at Miami International Airport, said Lt. Kenneth Scholz of the U.S. Southern Command. The group still hadn't emerged from customs as of early Thursday.
The group's swift departure from Haiti began a day earlier when Judge Bernard Saint-Vil said eight of the 10 missionaries were free to leave without bail because parents of the children had testified they voluntarily gave their children to the missionaries believing the Americans would give them a better life.
"The parents gave their kids away voluntarily," Saint-Vil said in explaining his decision.
He said, however, that he still wanted to question the group's leader, Laura Silsby, and her former nanny, Charisa Coulter, because they had visited Haiti prior to the quake to inquire about obtaining orphans.
Just after dusk in Haiti, the bedraggled, sweat-stained group of eight walked out of the jail escorted by U.S. diplomats. They waited until they were safely inside a white embassy van before some flashed smiles and gave a thumbs up to reporters. Their plane took off from Port-au-Prince shortly thereafter as a group of reporters watched.
Silas Thompson, 19, of Twin Falls, Idaho, plopped into the back seat, breathing heavily and beaming with relief. He'd accompanied his father Paul, a pastor, on the mission not knowing that Silsby had not obtained the proper papers, said his U.S.-based lawyer, Caleb Stegall.
The missionaries were charged with child kidnapping for trying to take 33 Haitian children to the Dominican Republic on Jan. 29 without Haitian adoption certificates.
Their detentions came just as aid officials were urging a halt to short-cut adoptions in the wake of the earthquake. Before their release, Haiti's No. 2 justice official, Claudy Gassent, informed them of the judge's decision but said he also gave them a lecture.
"They know they broke the law," he said.
The missionaries say they were on a do-it-youself "rescue mission" to take child quake victims to a hastily prepared orphanage in the Dominican Republic, denying the trafficking charge.
Silsby originally said they were taking only orphaned and abandoned children, but The Associated Press determined that at least 20 were handed over willingly by their parents, who said the Baptists had promised to educate them and let their parents visit.
Saint-Vil said he did not release Silsby, 47, or Coulter, 24, because of their previous activities in Haiti during a December visit. Silsby hastily enlisted the rest of the group after the quake. Coulter, of Boise, Idaho, is diabetic and the judge signed an order Wednesday afternoon authorizing her hospitalization. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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One to go!
Haiti frees US missionary; group leader still held
By EVENS SANON, Associated Press Writer Evens Sanon, Associated Press Writer � 20 mins ago
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti � One of two Baptist missionaries still held on kidnapping charges in Haiti was released Monday, but the U.S. group's leader remained in custody.
Charisa Coulter, 24, was taken from her jail cell to the airport by U.S. Embassy staff more than a month after she and nine other Americans were arrested for trying to take 33 children out of Haiti after the earthquake.
Coulter, wearing a red tank top and sunglasses, declined comment as she quickly got into an SUV that took her to the airport.
The leader of the Idaho-based missionary group, Laura Silsby, said she was glad about Coulter's release. "I'm very happy that she left today, and for her freedom, and expect mine to come soon," Silsby told The Associated Press as she left the courthouse where a judge held a closed hearing Monday.
Silsby, 40, was returned to her cell in a police station near Port-au-Prince airport.
Defense lawyer Louis Ricardo Chachoute said Coulter was released because there was no evidence to support the charges of kidnapping and criminal association. He predicted Silsby would be released soon as well.
"There are no prosecution witnesses to substantiate anything," Chachoute said.
Coulter, of Boise, Idaho, is a diabetic and had medical difficulties during her confinement. She was treated at least once, on Feb. 1, by American doctors after collapsing with what she said was either severe dehydration or the flu.
After a court hearing Monday for Silsby, Judge Bernard Saint-Vil said he heard evidence from a police officer who said he stopped Silsby from loading a bus with children near the Dominican Republic consulate in Port-au-Prince on Jan. 26. That was three days before her group was arrested while trying to cross into the Dominican Republic with 33 children.
"I found inconsistencies in some of Laura's statements," Saint-Vil told reporters, saying he planned to visit the Dominican consulate to resolve them.
The Dominican consul in Haiti, Carlos Castillo, has said previously that he warned Silsby she lacked the required papers to leave the country with the children and risked being arrested at the border for child trafficking.
The Americans' arrest came as Haitian authorities were trying to crack down on unauthorized adoptions to prevent child trafficking in the chaos following the catastrophic Jan. 12 earthquake.
Silsby initially said the children were orphaned in the quake that the government said has killed more than 230,000 people. But the AP found the children had been given away by still-living parents.
Chachoute said the Americans only came to Haiti to help the country. "Firstly, there was no criminal conspiracy; secondly, there was no child snatching," he said. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| The silence of those who were absolutely convinced of evil, twisted plans on the part of the missionaries at the beginning of this thread is deafening. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:44 am Post subject: |
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A single charge left: "organization of irregular trips."
Haiti tosses kidnapping charges against Americans
By FRANK BAJAK, Associated Press Writer Frank Bajak, Associated Press Writer � Mon Apr 26, 6:33 pm ET
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti � A Haitian judge said Monday he has dismissed kidnapping and criminal association charges against 10 American missionaries detained for trying to take a busload of children out of the country after the Jan. 12 earthquake.
Judge Bernard Saint-Vil said Laura Silsby, the last of the 10 missionaries jailed in Haiti, still faced a lesser charge for allegedly organizing the effort to transport the 33 children to an orphanage they were setting up in the Dominican Republic.
Silsby faces up to three years in prison if convicted on the remaining charge, the "organization of irregular trips," from a 1980 statute restricting travel out of Haiti signed by then-dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier.
Silsby declined comment from her jail cell. Shiller Roi, a lawyer for Silsby, declined comment, saying he hadn't yet received the judge's written decision.
The judge told The Associated Press that the charge of organizing the trip was also pending against Jean Sainvil, a Haitian-born pastor from Atlanta who also helped organize the venture. Sainvil did not immediately respond to message left on his voicemail.
The judge, who spoke to AP in a brief phone interview, did not explain the reasons for his decisions.
It was the latest development in a case that emerged amid the chaos following the devastating earthquake, which the government said killed an estimated 230,000 people and left hundreds of thousands of people homeless.
Border guards detained the Americans on Jan. 29 as they tried to enter the Dominican Republic from Haiti without the required documents for the children.
A relative of two members of the group of Baptists said at the time that they intended to take the children, all of whom still had at least one living parent, to an orphanage they were setting up in the Dominican Republic for Haitian children.
On Feb. 17, the judge released eight of the Americans after concluding that parents voluntarily gave up their children in the belief that the Americans would give them a better life. He freed the ninth March 8, leaving only Silsby in custody.
Supporters of the group said they were only trying to help the children and simply misunderstood Haitian adoption rules intended to prevent child trafficking following the earthquake.
Child trafficking has long been a serious problem in Haiti.
In a separate case Monday, three suspected Haitian traffickers were caught driving 24 children in the town of Mirebalais. The group was traveling with the children's birth certificates, suggesting they meant to put them up for adoption, local judge Vicran Charles said.
The judge said the suspects said they were taking the children to a woman who runs an orphanage in the capital, Port-au-Prince, and promised the children a better life.
The children, who were placed in a nearby orphanage, range in age from 1 to 13. None appeared to be orphans.
"I have a mom and a dad," said 8-year-old Jolen Plaisir. "They didn't tell me why they were sending me to an orphanage." |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| The silence of those who were absolutely convinced of evil, twisted plans on the part of the missionaries at the beginning of this thread is deafening. |
I've read the entire thread and I do not see ONE poster who was "absolutely convinced of evil, twisted plans on the part of the missionaries.."
I do see a lot of people saying let's go slow and make sure these kids will be safe.
Probably why the silence is deafening...nobody's said that. |
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runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Location: the southlands.
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Bacasper continues to bump this because he has a massive persecution complex and loves to get on his little soapbox to defend the (in)glorious deeds of all the crack-pot 'missionaries' to further validate their (and his own?) subjection to their self-created delusions of fairy gods and devils.
At least that's what the constant bumping of this inane thread seems to suggest. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| The silence of those who were absolutely convinced of evil, twisted plans on the part of the missionaries at the beginning of this thread is deafening. |
I've read the entire thread and I do not see ONE poster who was "absolutely convinced of evil, twisted plans on the part of the missionaries.."
I do see a lot of people saying let's go slow and make sure these kids will be safe.
Probably why the silence is deafening...nobody's said that. |
I've read this entire thread and I do not see anyone who said "let's go slow and make sure these kids will be safe."
Meanwhile, here is what has been said:
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| There was a lot of trafficking in kids after the tsunami in 2004, non orphans being handed off to be adopted, and I heard a lot about pedophiles taking advantage of the chaos... |
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Despicable.
I hope those people stay in jail for a while. |
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| Seriously? You think its okay to let a "small number" of kids get anally probed by some pedophiles or sold into sex-slavery as long as the "many" are adopted into "loving" families? |
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| No, they should stay in prison because they kidnapped children. They're despicable because they kidnapped children and then said it was for god. Like god would condone stealing children. Rolling Eyes |
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Paranoid sexual fantasies notwithstanding, do you really believe it is better for hundreds or thousands of kids to be definitely deprived of loving families and grow up in orphanages because maybe some of them will be abused?
Some children already in families get abused. Should we then remove all children from all families and place them in orphanages, too?
Most kids are pretty resilient from sex abuse. Recovering from a childhood without love is much more difficult. |
I'm speechless. Just speechless. |
So I'm not the only one... |
Last week I decided the 'OP' was morally bankrupt because he ranted about the horrible invasion of privacy by gov't for considering full body scans at airports but delighted in the prospect of a nude bike ride in protest of something or other (the difference: other people can see you in a bike ride). That was morally bankrupt, but more or less harmless.
Today he's lackadaisical about child slavery/sexual abuse...because kids are 'resilient'. That's disgusting. Adults are responsible for protecting kids. |
If that stuff doesn't sound evil and twisted to you, I dread to hear what you are up to.
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Bacasper continues to bump this because he has a massive persecution complex and loves to get on his little soapbox to defend the (in)glorious deeds of all the crack-pot 'missionaries' to further validate their (and his own?) subjection to their self-created delusions of fairy gods and devils.
At least that's what the constant bumping of this inane thread seems to suggest. |
I post on this thread because the story continues to develop. It is merely a coincidence that I was right and your paranoid sexual fantasy was wrong. |
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runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Location: the southlands.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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I post on this thread because the story continues to develop. It is merely a coincidence that I was right and your paranoid sexual fantasy was wrong. |
Wooooo. Interesting. How telling that it is YOU who bring up sexual fantasies involving children in the name of some fictional god.
Telling indeed. Haha.
But hey, we know where your priorities lie, right? You lobby for Catholic priests as well? |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Wooooo. Interesting. How telling that it is YOU who bring up sexual fantasies involving children in the name of some fictional god.
Telling indeed. Haha.
But hey, we know where your priorities lie, right? You lobby for Catholic priests as well? |
It might be interesting to note that your accusations on this post cant be deleted except by the owner or those in charge of the posts, though they are now currently liable for defermation.
Just a word of caution before you make certain inuendos on others.
(post edit: Yes, I know - bad spelling) |
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runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Location: the southlands.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Wooooo. Interesting. How telling that it is YOU who bring up sexual fantasies involving children in the name of some fictional god.
Telling indeed. Haha.
But hey, we know where your priorities lie, right? You lobby for Catholic priests as well? |
It might be interesting to note that your accusations on this post cant be deleted except by the owner or those in charge of the posts, though they are now currently liable for defermation.
Just a word of caution before you make certain inuendos on others.
(post edit: Yes, I know - bad spelling) |
You get back to me when you figure out what you're trying to say and why. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| You get back to me when you figure out what you're trying to say and why. |
By dropping innuendos and making statements relating his support to similar pedophile actions, you basically accused him of being a pedophile.
Unless, you are absolutely certain of your accusations if only meant jokingly, I would be massively hesitant of making similar statements.
It has been proven in courts of law that what is placed on an email or a chat forum can be used against someone.
You might be joking, but even so, thats not something I would want accused againt me, even if you are using innuendos.
Be very careful with those points. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
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I post on this thread because the story continues to develop. It is merely a coincidence that I was right and your paranoid sexual fantasy was wrong. |
Wooooo. Interesting. How telling that it is YOU who bring up sexual fantasies involving children in the name of some fictional god. |
I brought them up? The quotes in my previous post, in several of which they are referred, were not me quoting myself.
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| But hey, we know where your priorities lie, right? You lobby for Catholic priests as well? |
I didn't realize I was "lobbying". If that is what you want to call countering misinformation when I see it, so be it. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Run,
With hindsight, I can see that what you wrote might not have been how you intended it to be read.
If so, I am sorry, but it can be read that way, so just be careful. |
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runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Location: the southlands.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
Hey Run,
With hindsight, I can see that what you wrote might not have been how you intended it to be read.
If so, I am sorry, but it can be read that way, so just be careful. |
in hindsight, it's obvious you have a reading comprehension problem. Hahaha. You appear to be a moron. Sue me. |
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Enrico Palazzo Mod Team


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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
Bacasper continues to bump this because he has a massive persecution complex and loves to get on his little soapbox to defend the (in)glorious deeds of all the crack-pot 'missionaries' to further validate their (and his own?) subjection to their self-created delusions of fairy gods and devils.
At least that's what the constant bumping of this inane thread seems to suggest. |
Everyone has an opinion, let's keep away from the ad-hominem attacks. Not everyone will be an of every poster whether it's you of Bacasper or him of you. Let's keep things of gentlemanly/womanly decorum, shall we?
Molto grazie mi amicci |
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