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Dixon
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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They said Kim has always lived in the area, except for the 11 years he was imprisoned for a previous rape.
According to police, Kim was first convicted in 1996 for attempting to rape a 9-year-old girl, when he was 19.
He was imprisoned between 1997 and 2001 for another rape conviction. Just one month after being released, he sexually assaulted a woman in her 30s and was put behind bars for another eight years. Freed in June last year, he has been on the run since January for yet another attempted rape.
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Good job, justice system. Don't let him out again when he does the same thing after a month of being out of prison. Why let a dangerous violent criminal out on the streets with no sign of being reformed? At least chemically castrate him if he has been convicted of rape and attempted rape several times. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: |
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According to police, Kim was first convicted in 1996 for attempting to rape a 9-year-old girl, when he was 19.
He was imprisoned between 1997 and 2001 for another rape conviction. Just one month after being released, he sexually assaulted a woman in her 30s and was put behind bars for another eight years. Freed in June last year, he has been on the run since January for yet another attempted rape.
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...so if this is right...Kim Kil-tae�Giltae�(the play on words from his name is hard to believe)
�he committed rape not once...not twice...but three previous times...and spent only 11 years in jail�then released to rape again.
Obviously the third time should have been for life...as it now appears he has raped again...and committed murder.
This is obscene.
I realize he has not yet been convicted...regardless...this man had committed rape three times within short spans of time in the general public...he should have been put away for life.
I feel sorry for this last victim�s family...they could have been spared this sickening tragedy.
I feel sorry for his previous victims...their pain and humiliation has been in vain. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Good job, justice system. Don't let him out again when he does the same thing after a month of being out of prison. Why let a dangerous violent criminal out on the streets with no sign of being reformed? At least chemically castrate him if he has been convicted of rape and attempted rape several times. |
Yes, he appears to be an excellent candidate for such injections. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:23 pm Post subject: Kimtae |
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| I realize he has not yet been convicted... |
And to the previous poster upthread inferring that we shouldn't play judge jury & executioner until we know for certain he's guilty.
I've read online that DNA results of hair samples found on the victims body, perfectly matched those of the wanted felon on the run. I'd say that's reason enough to catch, try & imprison him. |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Dixon wrote: |
| Good job, justice system. Don't let him out again when he does the same thing after a month of being out of prison. Why let a dangerous violent criminal out on the streets with no sign of being reformed? At least chemically castrate him if he has been convicted of rape and attempted rape several times. |
I can't bring myself to ever support those "chemical castration" treatments. I'd much sooner support the death sentence or life imprisonment. Fooling around with folks' biologies against their will is the lowest I can think of in terms of state sanctioned punishment. And while it's nice to specify that such severe punishments should only apply to X grade of criminal severity/Y number of repeat offenses, in practice this sets the precedent for inappropriate use of the sentence for less severe "sex crimes" as well as for use on the wrongfully convicted.
That said, I've heard of the use of "chemical castration" being limited to a voluntary alternative, meaning anyone qualifying could opt for longer prison sentences over receiving the treatment. That seems about as acceptable as that treatment can get as a punishment, so long as the policy makers continue to take care to avoid outright forcing hormonal tampering. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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I can't bring myself to ever support those "chemical castration" treatments. I'd much sooner support the death sentence or life imprisonment. Fooling around with folks' biologies against their will is the lowest I can think of in terms of state sanctioned punishment. And while it's nice to specify that such severe punishments should only apply to X grade of criminal severity/Y number of repeat offenses, in practice this sets the precedent for inappropriate use of the sentence for less severe "sex crimes" as well as for use on the wrongfully convicted.
That said, I've heard of the use of "chemical castration" being limited to a voluntary alternative, meaning anyone qualifying could opt for longer prison sentences over receiving the treatment. That seems about as acceptable as that treatment can get as a punishment, so long as the policy makers continue to take care to avoid outright forcing hormonal tampering. |
Yes, this, especially your second paragraph. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:10 pm Post subject: criminals |
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Does anyone remember Jack Nicholson in 'One flew over the Cuckoo's nest' (1976) after he had a State sanctioned lobotomy? Great movie, & relevant to this discussion. Here's a scene with preliminary shock treatment, reminiscent of Clockwork Orange
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUmINGae44 |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I can't bring myself to ever support those "chemical castration" treatments. I'd much sooner support the death sentence or life imprisonment. Fooling around with folks' biologies against their will is the lowest I can think of in terms of state sanctioned punishment. And while it's nice to specify that such severe punishments should only apply to X grade of criminal severity/Y number of repeat offenses, in practice this sets the precedent for inappropriate use of the sentence for less severe "sex crimes" as well as for use on the wrongfully convicted.
That said, I've heard of the use of "chemical castration" being limited to a voluntary alternative, meaning anyone qualifying could opt for longer prison sentences over receiving the treatment. That seems about as acceptable as that treatment can get as a punishment, so long as the policy makers continue to take care to avoid outright forcing hormonal tampering. |
Yes, this, especially your second paragraph. |
Totally reasonable. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Typical knee-jerk response. Must there be a new law after every new crime? Better follow-up as well as treatment of the man after his first crime would do more to have prevented this than a new, tougher law.
March 10, 2010 10:01 AM
South Korea Launch War Against Child Sex Offenders
SEOUL, March 10 (Bernama) -- South Korean prosecutors on Tuesday declared a war against sex offenders, amid a nationwide manhunt for the suspect in the brutal rape and murder of a teenage girl in Busan last week, Yonhap news agency reports.
Prosecutors decided to take extraordinarily tough measures against sex crimes on children, in particular, seeking an imprisonment of at least 10 years for them and strengthening electronic monitoring of all previously convicted of sex offences.
The decision was reached at a video conference of some 60 senior prosecutors nationwide, who also discussed ways to prevent sex crimes against children and alienate high-risk sex offenders from society, the Supreme Prosecutors' Office (SPO) said.
Under the current law, anybody indicted for sexual assault on children or more than two rapes of women before September 2008 is forced to wear an electronic anklet 24 hours a day for up to 10 years.
Prosecutors decided to push to revise the law to subject all sex offenders indicted before September 2008 to the 24-hour electronic monitoring, the SPO said.
more at link |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| Street Magic wrote: |
I can't bring myself to ever support those "chemical castration" treatments. I'd much sooner support the death sentence or life imprisonment. Fooling around with folks' biologies against their will is the lowest I can think of in terms of state sanctioned punishment. And while it's nice to specify that such severe punishments should only apply to X grade of criminal severity/Y number of repeat offenses, in practice this sets the precedent for inappropriate use of the sentence for less severe "sex crimes" as well as for use on the wrongfully convicted.
That said, I've heard of the use of "chemical castration" being limited to a voluntary alternative, meaning anyone qualifying could opt for longer prison sentences over receiving the treatment. That seems about as acceptable as that treatment can get as a punishment, so long as the policy makers continue to take care to avoid outright forcing hormonal tampering. |
Yes, this, especially your second paragraph. |
Totally reasonable. |
Unfortunately, exactly the wrong approach may happen in Israel.
Database listing pedophiles living in Israel passes preliminary reading
Published: 03.03.10, 12:11 / Israel News
The Knesset plenum passed a preliminary reading of the bill for establishing a national database listing the details of all the known pedophiles in Israel. According to the bill, the database will be open to the public.
In addition, the bill seeks to grant jurisdiction to the courts to order pharmaceutical treatment of pedophiles to lower their sexual urges. The bill was initiated by Knesset Member Eli Aflalo (Kadima). |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:26 am Post subject: Chip Devices |
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| is forced to wear an electronic anklet 24 hours a day |
Slightly offtopic, but there was a recent news article about non criminal Germans not minding chip implant tracking devices. All in the name of terrorism & crime prevention, & faster service. Seems very Orwellian to me.
http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/cebit-quarter-of-germans-happy-to-have-chip-implants-5590
In the discussion thread within the above link, is this response:
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The main objection I would have to a chip implant is an issue of control. Would I also have a device for reading the entire contents of my chip? Would I be in control of who, where & when my chip is accessible? Would I be in control of who can write and what is written to my chip? Would I be able to update my chip?
Perhaps I am too jaded, but I believe that the answer to all of these questions would be an emphatic �NO!�. I expect that I would also be told that being denied such controls is for my own protection and that to even want such controls would cast an air of suspicion over me, as though only a terrorist or criminal would want such controls, surely not a law-abiding, god-fearing citizen� after all, what am I trying to hide�
We would think that not having such levels of control over our wallet is unreasonable, yet we would be expected to accept a �sealed wallet� approach to these chips. The saddest part of it all is that most people, even the initial grumblers, will eventually accept this further invasion to our privacy and self-determination. People are too willing to give up their personal freedoms.
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Street Magic
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Must there be a new law after every new crime? |
I was just talking the other day about the broader trend for news in general to highlight perceived problems, which in turn constantly goads people into demanding more litigation or government intervention. You read the comments page on any given story covering a crime against life or property and you can expect to find the majority of posts calling for the government's own sanctioned variety of gang violence. Few people respond to murder or even simple theft stories by requesting that policy makers refrain from taking the incident as a license to further infringe on our liberties. That kind of thinking goes against the grain in general and the trend is greatly intensified by the crazy feelings provoked by the specter of our carefully hidden genitals.
And speaking as an ethnic Jew, that move by the Knesset plenum is pretty disheartening, but by no means exceptional I guess. After the Mengele horrors, I would have thought anyone tied in some way to those victims would take special care to avoid violating the biologies of others. Like I wrote above though, the primary instinct in response to any sort of wrong is to retaliate through harsher litigation and public policies.
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Does anyone remember Jack Nicholson in 'One flew over the Cuckoo's nest' (1976) after he had a State sanctioned lobotomy? Great movie, & relevant to this discussion. Here's a scene with preliminary shock treatment, reminiscent of Clockwork Orange
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUmINGae44 |
I could go off for a while on coerced psychiatry in general. A lot of people nowadays make the mistake of assuming it isn't a problem because their most well known opponent are blatantly corrupt Scientologists. The antipsychiatry movement would be far better off if Scientology didn't exist. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:02 am Post subject: |
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I can't bring myself to ever support those "chemical castration" treatments. I'd much sooner support the death sentence or life imprisonment. Fooling around with folks' biologies against their will is the lowest I can think of in terms of state sanctioned punishment. And while it's nice to specify that such severe punishments should only apply to X grade of criminal severity/Y number of repeat offenses, in practice this sets the precedent for inappropriate use of the sentence for less severe "sex crimes" as well as for use on the wrongfully convicted.
That said, I've heard of the use of "chemical castration" being limited to a voluntary alternative, meaning anyone qualifying could opt for longer prison sentences over receiving the treatment. That seems about as acceptable as that treatment can get as a punishment, so long as the policy makers continue to take care to avoid outright forcing hormonal tampering. |
Yes, this, especially your second paragraph. |
A 1942 court case, Skinner v. Oklahoma, held that laws mandating castration violated the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. Good ruling. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Street Magic wrote: |
I can't bring myself to ever support those "chemical castration" treatments. I'd much sooner support the death sentence or life imprisonment. Fooling around with folks' biologies against their will is the lowest I can think of in terms of state sanctioned punishment. And while it's nice to specify that such severe punishments should only apply to X grade of criminal severity/Y number of repeat offenses, in practice this sets the precedent for inappropriate use of the sentence for less severe "sex crimes" as well as for use on the wrongfully convicted.
That said, I've heard of the use of "chemical castration" being limited to a voluntary alternative, meaning anyone qualifying could opt for longer prison sentences over receiving the treatment. That seems about as acceptable as that treatment can get as a punishment, so long as the policy makers continue to take care to avoid outright forcing hormonal tampering. |
Yes, this, especially your second paragraph. |
A 1942 court case, Skinner v. Oklahoma, held that laws mandating castration violated the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. Good ruling. |
That case could only have dealt with surgical castration as the chemical form was first used in the US in 1966, so I wonder if they would hold the same for the chemical form, especially considering how the latter's effects are reversible once the medication is stopped.
According to Wikipedia, courts in nine states can now order this treatment to sex offenders. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Good job, justice system. Don't let him out again when he does the same thing after a month of being out of prison. Why let a dangerous violent criminal out on the streets with no sign of being reformed? At least chemically castrate him if he has been convicted of rape and attempted rape several times. |
Yes, he appears to be an excellent candidate for such injections. |
They don't work, they can still rape |
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