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Engineering Undergraduate degree at SNU/KAIST?
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Engineering Undergraduate degree at SNU/KAIST? Reply with quote

i have a friend that is an adopted Korean that is looking to move back to Korea and live permanently. He is currently teaching English and studying Korean at the same school as me and once his Korean is good enough, he wants to enter a Korean University. At first I thought that it would be for an MBA or some other graduate program but he actually wants to enter SNU or KAIST in an environmental engineering field at the undergraduate level. His major from his US university is basically useless and he doesn't want to teach English/edit/work in education or accounting (his US major which he says was a mistake) for the rest of his life. He's not THAT old or anything (27) and he does want to stay in Korea for the rest of his life. Do you think this route is ok? I know there is a lot of negativity towards Korean Unis here but he is set on staying here. Thoughts? Anyone know anyone that did an undergrad/grad degree here in something other than Korean studies/business related fields?
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Platinumrose



Joined: 08 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Engineering Undergraduate degree at SNU/KAIST? Reply with quote

misher wrote:
i have a friend that is an adopted Korean that is looking to move back to Korea and live permanently. He is currently teaching English and studying Korean at the same school as me and once his Korean is good enough, he wants to enter a Korean University. At first I thought that it would be for an MBA or some other graduate program but he actually wants to enter SNU or KAIST in an environmental engineering field at the undergraduate level. His major from his US university is basically useless and he doesn't want to teach English/edit/work in education or accounting (his US major which he says was a mistake) for the rest of his life. He's not THAT old or anything (27) and he does want to stay in Korea for the rest of his life. Do you think this route is ok? I know there is a lot of negativity towards Korean Unis here but he is set on staying here. Thoughts? Anyone know anyone that did an undergrad/grad degree here in something other than Korean studies/business related fields?


I congratulate your friend on choosing a real profession and leaving ESL to the less skilled/ambitious. He`ll do just fine.
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though I've only known him for 5 months, he's a pretty motivated guy. His Korean is miles ahead of mine and he couldn't stomach crunchin numbers for the rest of his life. I think he'll be just fine too.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would he want to study engineering in Korea as a kyopo? With so many Koreans going to the US (Canada, etc) for a university education, wouldn't it make way more sense for he, as a native speaker of English, to do that? Those Koreans aren't studying in the US for the savings... he's already got an American degree, and he's a native English speaker though so... I don't know.

I'm contemplating doing the exact same thing (but with a slightly different major) and I wouldn't even consider studying in Korea.My gut says it's a terrible idea, but my gut doesn't want to live in Korea forever either. Confused
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ed4444



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell him to skip studying Korean and register at POSTECH Uni. Since last week they are delivering all of their lectures at both undergraduate and graduate level in English only.

He can study Korean after his classes or by chatting with his fellow students at the same time.
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satishku



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he has an undergraduate degree already, he should enrol in a Masters program. If he is willing to pay his tution, I think many universities wont care what his undergrad field was. I know people who had backgroud in Humanities and studied Masters in Information System. A Master degree is going to be better n more useful, even if it is a bit tougher.
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misher



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why would he want to study engineering in Korea as a kyopo? With so many Koreans going to the US (Canada, etc) for a university education, wouldn't it make way more sense for he, as a native speaker of English, to do that? Those Koreans aren't studying in the US for the savings... he's already got an American degree, and he's a native English speaker though so... I don't know.

I'm contemplating doing the exact same thing (but with a slightly different major) and I wouldn't even consider studying in Korea.My gut says it's a terrible idea, but my gut doesn't want to live in Korea forever either.


Well I'm not sure on the details but I believe there is scholarship money involved here as an adoptee. He basically can study at SNU for peanuts in a field that he desires to be in. He can also teach English (his part-time teaching job doing SAT prep is pretty good from what I gather) part-time to pay the bills. I guess if he were to do the same thing in the USA it would involve going into massive amounts of debt. He also wants to be in South Korea and has no desire to leave.



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Tell him to skip studying Korean and register at POSTECH Uni. Since last week they are delivering all of their lectures at both undergraduate and graduate level in English only.

He can study Korean after his classes or by chatting with his fellow students at the same time


Well I think he wants to learn Korean well as he intends to stay here. He's already pretty good and is not concerned about the lectures being in English or Korean. I think he intends to speak Korean well before entering a university which I could understand.

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If he has an undergraduate degree already, he should enrol in a Masters program. If he is willing to pay his tution, I think many universities wont care what his undergrad field was. I know people who had backgroud in Humanities and studied Masters in Information System. A Master degree is going to be better n more useful, even if it is a bit tougher.


I tried to tell him the same thing but he basically said that a Master's program in something as specialized as engineering would normally require an undergrad in a RELATED field. Do such Engineering master's programs exist?
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

misher wrote:
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If he has an undergraduate degree already, he should enrol in a Masters program. If he is willing to pay his tution, I think many universities wont care what his undergrad field was. I know people who had backgroud in Humanities and studied Masters in Information System. A Master degree is going to be better n more useful, even if it is a bit tougher.


I tried to tell him the same thing but he basically said that a Master's program in something as specialized as engineering would normally require an undergrad in a RELATED field. Do such Engineering master's programs exist?


You don't need a related degree to got into a graduate program. But acceptance depends on the school's needs and how good his undergrad grades were like. If his grades were high, they will let him in a science grad program, but will most likely want him to take some undergrad science related classes first to see how he does.

I had a few science and engineering profs that were majors in arts or some kind of humanities.
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doggyji



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a quick reference, both KAIST and SNU were ranked within the world's top 50 engineering universities in 2009 according to this. I went to SNU engineering for a year and graduated from the University of Toronto engineering. It's hard to tell any major difference as an undergraduate student. At least, I can tell you I had no complaints about the facilities at SNU. No matter how good your marks are, if you have studied, for example, history, I can never imagine any slightly competitive engineering graduate program will accept you. Engineering programs tend to have the heaviest course load among all undergraduate studies. If you have studied science though, I believe you have a chance to be accepted with a condition that you will take a few pre-requisite undergraduate courses. I had to take one undergraduate course in my graduate engineering program because my undergraduate engineering discipline's focus was quite different.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An undergrad degree in an engineering related field like math, sciences, computer science would make it a lot easier to be admitted to an engineering graduate program. Most likely he'll have to get an undergrad degree in engineering. Unless, he has mensa like numbers and can blow their socks off with his knowledge. I'll say it's possible to be admitted without a science like degree, but extremely difficult.
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whiteshoes



Joined: 14 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO, he should go to SNU. The only thing better than going to SNU for your undergrad is getting an undergrad from abroad. He'll have both.

Don't forget the role "seniors" play in Korea. A degree from SNU will be very valuable in this regard.

A friend of my went to Korea University. Along the way, I made friends with a student there. My friend who has graduated always asks me how her "junior" is, and if there is anything she can do to help her "junior."

The value of a degree in Korea, within Korea, is totally based on the brand name. I'd go to the school where you'll have the most "seniors" and I'm pretty sure that would be SNU.

Other people with more experience here might know of a better place to go with this frame of mind, but I think SNU is the top one. Maybe Yonsei or even KAIST?
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

misher wrote:

Well I'm not sure on the details but I believe there is scholarship money involved here as an adoptee. He basically can study at SNU for peanuts in a field that he desires to be in.


In that case, he should definitely go for it.
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UknowsI



Joined: 16 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say he has to be quite committed to do an undergraduate engineering degree here. Being 27 years he will literally be 10 years older than many of his classmates. It is expected that you don't have much of a social life but spend almost all your time studying. It is possible to have a pretty nice social life if you try, but when he has to catch up with students who has done nothing but studying mathematics for the last few years, it can be quite tough. To spend 4 years locked up in a study room might be ok when you are 18 years old, but for a 27 year old I think it will be much harder.

I know other people who have studied here and then got good jobs in their field in Korea. However they had at least a master's degree, and Korean employers are very focused on age. Maybe he can get a little slack because he is foreign, but he might be too old to get hired by the time he graduates.

However, it can be very cheap to get a degree here. And if he is able to study here for free he wont lose much even if something goes wrong along the way.

I am doing a PhD in Engineering here, so if you have any specific questions feel free to ask.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

misher wrote:
Even though I've only known him for 5 months, he's a pretty motivated guy. His Korean is miles ahead of mine and he couldn't stomach crunchin numbers for the rest of his life. I think he'll be just fine too.



LOL.... and how does he think that a degree in Engineering isn't crunching numbers?

All he will do it crunch numbers and formulate for the next 4 years.

Oh, and as a side note: Korea is NOT highly noted for critical thinking, problem solving and R&D. Might he not prefer to do a B.Eng. / P.Eng. somewhere where it takes more than memorize the book to pass?

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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:08 am    Post subject: Re: Engineering Undergraduate degree at SNU/KAIST? Reply with quote

Platinumrose wrote:

I congratulate your friend on choosing a real profession and leaving ESL to the less skilled/ambitious.


ESL/EFL teaching is a real profession, whether you like it or not. Your prejudices do not define the field.
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