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Olivencia
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: No AC or fan stated in contract (?) |
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| Do you think it's chintzy for a school/agency not to supply an AC or a fan for your apartment? |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| We didn't have either at our last two jobs....I suppose you have to take it into consideration with the other benefits. |
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alwaysbeclosing100
Joined: 07 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: cheap air conditioner |
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| you can get a US style window air conditioner at the appliance market next to Sindang station in Seoul for about 100,000 |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| It's standard for it not to be stipulated, but it's almost an unwritten clause, in my opinion. If I ended up in a place without AC, I would just get one installed. They only cost about 500,000. And being uncomfortable all summer is worth more than that to me. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: No AC or fan stated in contract (?) |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
| Do you think it's chintzy for a school/agency not to supply an AC or a fan for your apartment? |
Perhaps they would if you were a better teacher and or stood up for all lessons.
YOu ride yourself on not doing the best you possibly can, yet you always want to ask questions like this.
Yeah sometimes employers don't want to do all that they can either. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: No AC or fan stated in contract (?) |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
| Do you think it's chintzy for a school/agency not to supply an AC or a fan for your apartment? |
chintzy? well, it's silly for a teacher not to insist on it.
An air conditioner has always been a PRECONDITION to my being hired and both longterm hagwon jobs I've had here have started with the director begrudgedly agreeing to install a/c and in both cases I reminded them the first day I was hired and got a date commitment and reminded them of it the week before that date came, in both cases they thereafter did it. Those were the best two jobs I've had here, 3 years each, but the air conditioner would not have happened if I hadn't insisted and was clear and firm but gentle and "needs" based in my language rather than pushy and angrily handling it.
One has to choose for oneself where to draw the line. Pick and choose your battles, so to speak, but of course don't fight in any sense, if it's important then tactfully insist on it as a basic need, with a smile. 
(Of course, the op of this thread likes to sit in class and even fall asleep, so who's being 'chintzy' is an open question in that particular teacher's case.) |
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Olivencia
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Because things like this are not offered I act accordingly...falling asleep in class....not wanting to stand up.....wasting time....do meaningless repetitions while insisting to some that it is indeed "teaching"..used to hit on the uni chicks that I taught etc etc - Because it is such a mess here at least it gives me an excuse to just totally goof off. |
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ChilgokBlackHole
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
| Because things like this are not offered I act accordingly...falling asleep in class....not wanting to stand up.....wasting time....do meaningless repetitions while insisting to some that it is indeed "teaching"..used to hit on the uni chicks that I taught etc etc - Because it is such a mess here at least it gives me an excuse to just totally goof off. |
Yes...yes.. That's totally a reason to flush your sense of professional responsibility down the toilet. Yes, there's no reason to have any personal pride in your work. Oh dear god I have to get out of here. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| Olivencia wrote: |
| Because things like this are not offered I act accordingly...falling asleep in class....not wanting to stand up.....wasting time....do meaningless repetitions while insisting to some that it is indeed "teaching"..used to hit on the uni chicks that I taught etc etc - Because it is such a mess here at least it gives me an excuse to just totally goof off. |
Yes...yes.. That's totally a reason to flush your sense of professional responsibility down the toilet. Yes, there's no reason to have any personal pride in your work. Oh dear god I have to get out of here. |
Chilgok.....
As much as we disagreed on the thread about debts to old bosses, you and I are in total agreement on this issue.
I think we are more alike than not |
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:56 am Post subject: |
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No air conditioner no work!
How dare they!! |
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Olivencia
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Professional responsibility? Had that but when I saw what was going on here it is simply a misnomer.
oh yeah and speaking of flushing toilets....welcome to an apartment with a toliet that wouldn't flush...so take your pie in the sky ideals and flush em. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
Professional responsibility? Had that but when I saw what was going on here it is simply a misnomer.
oh yeah and speaking of flushing toilets....welcome to an apartment with a toliet that wouldn't flush...so take your pie in the sky ideals and flush em. |
That's great. Punish the students because you and the boss disagree. This is a big why reason expat teachers are being viewed less and less favorably here. |
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miljeong
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:10 am Post subject: Re: No AC or fan stated in contract (?) |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| Olivencia wrote: |
| Do you think it's chintzy for a school/agency not to supply an AC or a fan for your apartment? |
Perhaps they would if you were a better teacher and or stood up for all lessons.
YOu ride yourself on not doing the best you possibly can, yet you always want to ask questions like this.
Yeah sometimes employers don't want to do all that they can either. |
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ChilgokBlackHole
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| Yes...yes.. That's totally a reason to flush your sense of professional responsibility down the toilet. Yes, there's no reason to have any personal pride in your work. Oh dear god I have to get out of here. |
As much as we disagreed on the thread about debts to old bosses, you and I are in total agreement on this issue.
I think we are more alike than not |
I reckon we are. "Oh, I had professional responsibility, but then when I came to KOREA I didn't need it anymore..." Oh cry me a river and drown in it. Korea isn't some kind of magic place that changes your soul and makes you above it all. It isn't some hell that holds your heart for ransom. It's a job. If you don't like it, find another one, or simply admit that you don't have the skill necessary to do so.
I don't love it. I'm leaving it. I am neither proud of that nor do I feel like a failure. It was a good time. And now it's time to go.
But for real, Korea can't compromise you professionally. Only you can do that, and it seems like the OP is doing that. It's too bad for her. And she wants to blame Korea for her utter and complete failure at life, fine. It's not Korea's fault. You don't even register on the radar with these people. They'll have you out the door in 10 days and forget you forever in the next 5.
If you want to compromise yourself, go ahead. Don't expect any of the *good* teachers on this board to love all over you for it.
| Olivencia wrote: |
Professional responsibility? Had that but when I saw what was going on here it is simply a misnomer.
oh yeah and speaking of flushing toilets....welcome to an apartment with a toliet that wouldn't flush...so take your pie in the sky ideals and flush em. |
You've been through 10 years in Asia and you don't know how to fix a toilet? My dad didn't let me get past 10 years *old* without knowing that. |
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miljeong
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
You've been through 10 years in Asia and you don't know how to fix a toilet? My dad didn't let me get past 10 years *old* without knowing that. |
+1
Off with their heads! |
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