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Reggie
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| Complaining about racism out of one side of the mouth while openly supporting racist policies out of the other is Zionism in a nutshell. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Complaining about racism out of one side of the mouth while openly supporting racist policies out of the other is Zionism in a nutshell. |
Saying support for a single Jewish nation such that Jews can escape their racist tormentors -- as well as people who empower and support those racist tormentors -- is racism is beyond retarded. And that's all Zionism is.
Indeed, the whole, "Zionism is racism," assertion is just another way to harass Jews. "What, you want a nation of your own instead of being forced to put up with our endless harassment of your people? Okay racist, whatever. We'll just use that as further justification to harass you."
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| And what agenda would that be exactly? It's interesting that when Sergio quotes people who support his arguments you accept them without question but when I or anyone with an opposing viewpoint does so you accuse us of having an agenda. |
Sergio quotes statistical numbers grounded in reality. You quote opinion pieces which blatantly contradict the facts (as I described in my post above). That's a key difference.
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What facts have I contradicted and why are you so sure that only your facts are correct?
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[quote="blade"] What exactly is it you want when you attack the Arabs? Can we say hypocrite? |
Do you even understand what hypocrisy is? I accused him of lying. For me to be a hypocrite, I would have to be a liar myself. If I've posted a knowing lie, you show me where. But you can't, because I haven't, because I don't need to lie to defend my position that Israel isn't the horrific monstrosity brain-dead anti-Semites construe it as. It's an imperfect nation in a very difficult situation that has done some regrettable things, which places it in the same position as many other nations. It's only people like you who try to construe it as some sort of atypically horrible place, and we all know why you do it. |
This is not what I meant. Maybe I was unclear but the reason I called you a hypocrite was because you don't mind demonizing Arabs but woe betide anyone who in your opinion attempts to demonize Israel. I don't need to demonize Israel because I believe that anybody with an open mind wishing to understand what has happened in the region would easily come to the conclusion that Israel is no more to be trusted than any other country in the region.
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| No jackass. I've actually spent a lot of time examining both sides of the argument. |
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Why lie to me? No one who posts the utterly rubbish sources that you do has spent "a lot of time" examining anything except anti-Israeli opinion pieces. |
Erskin Childers is an utterly rubbish source but openly pro Zionists are all fine and dandy with you? My sources are only rubbish to you because they contradict what you believe happened and not because of they are incorrect. You have decided that Israel an imperfect nation is still better than those of it's neighbors. You seem to imply in many of your posts that Arabs are genetically inferior to Israelis and thus nobody body should listen to anything anyone (Arab or not) says in their defense. You even go as far as calling people Anti-semitic just because they don't go with the mainstream Arabs can't be trusted therefore Israel's actions while wrong are still justified in the grand scheme of things.
Hey Fox if you are so sure that Erskin Childers was indeed a lier then please be so good as to show me verifiable evidence that refutes the following from link I posted above:
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The charge, Israel claimed, was "documented"; but where were the documents? There had allegedly been Arab radio broadcasts ordering the evacuation; but no dates� names of stations, or texts of messages were ever cited. In Israel in 1958, as a guest of the Foreign Office and therefore doubly hopeful of serious assistance, I asked to be shown the proofs, I was assured they existed, and was promised them. None had been offered when I left, but I was again assured. I asked to have the material sent on to me. I am still waiting.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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[ if you are so sure that Erskin Childers was indeed a lier then please be so good as to show me verifiable evidence that refutes the following from link I posted above:
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The charge, Israel claimed, was "documented"; but where were the documents? There had allegedly been Arab radio broadcasts ordering the evacuation; but no dates� names of stations, or texts of messages were ever cited. In Israel in 1958, as a guest of the Foreign Office and therefore doubly hopeful of serious assistance, I asked to be shown the proofs, I was assured they existed, and was promised them. None had been offered when I left, but I was again assured. I asked to have the material sent on to me. I am still waiting.
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Well I'm not Mr. Fox but I should point out something.
You are assuming that he is telling the truth for one thing. We don't know if this is true or just more fiction to bolster his attack on Israel. How is anyone expected to prove something, when it may not have even happened?
Prove it actually went down like that, and then you have something. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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Let's talk about how totally irrational his case is:
1) The proposal that there are no jobs for the Palestinian refugees: the Palestinian refugees are there no matter what. They're consuming resources no matter what. Regardless of whether jobs are there, they are there no matter what. And regardless of whether jobs are there, they would be better off being allowed to integrate into society than being prevented from doing so. So the entire concept of jobs being an important part of the equation is a red herring (or better put, a lie).
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What are you going on about? Erskine Childers wrote his letter to the Spectator in 1961 i.e. 13 years after the event and made that very valid point that Arab countries at the time were not in a position to absorb the Palestinian refugees because they already had enough of their own poor to deal with.
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He says further that jobs can't be created because the Palestinians are "unskilled peasants." What nonsense; as adults who have survived for any reasonable period of time, they surely have some capability or competency.
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Again back then Arab countries were not really in a position to accept large numbers of Palestinian refugees because they had more than enough problems of their own.
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Further, people can be trained to do things.
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Sure they can but again back in 1948 things were a little more complicated than you make out.
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| Finally, if these people are so inherently incompetent and untrainable so as to be impossible to integrate into the societies in question, then any nation populated exclusively by these people is doomed to be a cesspit of eternal starvation and failure. |
That's it Fox, show everyone how much a bigot you really are.
[quote] The idea that these people are incompetent to even partake in basic labor is totally incompatible
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Once again Arab countries had more than their fair share of poor people who would have in all likelihood have competed for the same limited number of jobs that the locals would go after.
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with the idea that they should have a state of their own. Anyone rational can see this; anyone blinded by Jew hate cannot. No surprise which category you fell into. |
I'm very rational and I also have Jewish relatives that I most certainly do not hold any ill feelings for. Nice try taring me with the anti semitic brush though. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| What facts have I contradicted and why are you so sure that only your facts are correct? |
You can start with the blatant and obviously false opinion piece you just posted in this article, which I all ready tore apart. I'm not going to go through every single tidbit of rubbish you post and provide a unique refutation for it.
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| This is not what I meant. Maybe I was unclear but the reason I called you a hypocrite was because you don't mind demonizing Arabs but woe betide anyone who in your opinion attempts to demonize Israel. |
I don't demonize Arabs. I don't demonize anyone. I really dislike Islam (and Christianity, and even Judaism for that matter; religion is a bad thing), but the only reason I talk about things like human-rights abuses in Arabic countries is because people here are trying to construe Israel as worse than those countries. As far as I'm concerned, Arabic countries can do more or less as they please as long as they do it in their own countries.
My entire position is that no nation is perfect. That includes Israel, and it especially includes Israel's enemies. I'm defending Israel against the charge that it's some sort of evil monster surrounded by otherwise benign parties. I'm refuting ideas like, "It's understandable that Muslims harass Jews because Israel exists." These are nonsensical, rubbish ideas. Israel is just a nation like any other, and like any nation stuck in prolonged hostilities, it's got some black marks on its record. I don't support those black marks, but I don't excessively demonize them either.
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| I believe that anybody with an open mind wishing to understand what has happened in the region would easily come to the conclusion that Israel is no more to be trusted than any other country in the region. |
I really don't feel like you or the other anti-Israelis on this board are advancing this case, though. I see a systematic pattern of attacking Israel while ignoring -- or even apologizing for -- the behavior of its Arab neighbors.
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| Erskin Childers is an utterly rubbish source but openly pro Zionists are all fine and dandy with you? |
Erskin Childers is an utterly rubbish source because, as I demonstrated in the portions of the post that you cut out, everything he said in the article in question is either completely the opposite of reality, or pure a priori assumption. The presence or absence of jobs is no impediment to the social integration of Palestinian refugees into other countries. Palestinians do not fanatically resist integration. The fact that he feels Arab broadcasting being the cause of Palestinians fleeing the rough vicinity of Israel has been insufficiently proven does not prove they were driven out by Zionist terrorists. None the less, he says or implies these things, and that is why he's a rubbish source.
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| You have decided that Israel an imperfect nation is still better than those of it's neighbors. |
Well, it certainly practices values that are closer to our own. That might not make it better, but it certainly gives us cause to prefer Israel to other nations in the region.
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| You seem to imply in many of your posts that Arabs are genetically inferior to Israelis ... |
I have never, ever implied this. Nothing about my case is about the superiority of the Jews. Nothing about my case is about the inferiority of any group of non-Jews. Hell, many Israelis are of Arabic descent! The text of yours I quoted above is pure libel, and somewhat paradoxical to boot.
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| You even go as far as calling people Anti-semitic just because they don't go with the mainstream Arabs can't be trusted therefore Israel's actions while wrong are still justified in the grand scheme of things. |
When did I ever say Arabs in general can't be trusted? The closest I've ever made to that case is that Arabic nations -- not individuals -- can't be trusted to abide by a peace agreement. And I stand by that; the governments of Arabic nations have made a useful political tool out of demonizing Israel, and they aren't going to stop. That has more to do with politics than anything.
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Hey Fox if you are so sure that Erskin Childers was indeed a lier then please be so good as to show me verifiable evidence that refutes the following from link I posted above:
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The charge, Israel claimed, was "documented"; but where were the documents? There had allegedly been Arab radio broadcasts ordering the evacuation; but no dates� names of stations, or texts of messages were ever cited. In Israel in 1958, as a guest of the Foreign Office and therefore doubly hopeful of serious assistance, I asked to be shown the proofs, I was assured they existed, and was promised them. None had been offered when I left, but I was again assured. I asked to have the material sent on to me. I am still waiting.
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Congratulations on ignoring the fact that I've all ready demonstrated the other 2/3rds of his case was a lie. Instead of facing that fact, you focus on the 1/3 that I can't prove a lie. Why can't I prove it's a lie? Because he doesn't assert anything about the situation itself. All he says here is, "I've never seen proof that this is the case." Okay, so he hasn't seen proof. That doesn't prove anything in and of itself.
In the article text you quoted, he makes 3 overall statements:
1) Palestinians cannot be integrated into neighboring Arabic nations because of a lack of jobs.
2) Palestinians fanatically resist integration.
3) That he's never seen proof that the Palestinian flight was caused by Arabic broadcasts.
I've shown 1 and 2 are essentially lies. The third point is probably true, but all that means is that he, personally, has never seen proof of this. That doesn't prove anything either way, though, and in fact doesn't even assert anything either way, so it's totally meaningless to his overall case. If someone makes 3 statements, and 2 of the statements are lies, and the third statement is meaningless, of course I'm going to call him a liar.
This is how it always goes down with anti-Israelis. They just say things, and then they say, "Prove it's wrong or it's true!" And even when those things are proven to be wrong, they never admit it. They just move on to saying other things. It's silly. |
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Fox
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| What are you going on about? Erskine Childers wrote his letter to the Spectator in 1961 i.e. 13 years after the event and made that very valid point that Arab countries at the time were not in a position to absorb the Palestinian refugees because they already had enough of their own poor to deal with. |
Except they still had the Palestinian refugees to deal with. Whether they integrated them or not, they were there. Not allowing them to integrate didn't change that situation at all. So it's pure irrationality to say that a lack of jobs was the problem. Jordan understood this, and allowed integration. Do you really think the other nations involved were so much worse off that they just couldn't do it under any circumstances? Don't be naive, this was pure politics (politics which Jordan has been won over to, which is why they're changing course now).
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| Again back then Arab countries were not really in a position to accept large numbers of Palestinian refugees because they had more than enough problems of their own. |
Pure bullshit. Israel managed to absorb a huge number of Jews fleeing Arabic countries despite just having come into existence. You say Arab countries didn't have jobs? Israel had to build an entire society from scratch. Anyone saying this was an impediment to allowing Palestinians to integrate is, again, lying.
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| Sure they can but again back in 1948 things were a little more complicated than you make out. |
Didn't stop Israel from absorbing a huge number of refugees. Didn't stop Jordan from absorbing a huge number of refugees. Because jobs aren't the issue, especially when you've got the refugees to deal with whether you let them integrate or not.
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| Finally, if these people are so inherently incompetent and untrainable so as to be impossible to integrate into the societies in question, then any nation populated exclusively by these people is doomed to be a cesspit of eternal starvation and failure. |
That's it Fox, show everyone how much a bigot you really are. |
I'm not showing any bigotry at all here. I'm saying your -- and your source's -- portrayal of these people as completely inept and untrainable is wrong. It's you and he that dehumanize them to near animal levels to try to prove your rabid anti-Israeli point. I'm saying you're incorrect, that they're intelligent humans just like the rest of us, and thus competent to be trained to be useful workers.
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| Once again Arab countries had more than their fair share of poor people who would have in all likelihood have competed for the same limited number of jobs that the locals would go after. |
More population = more goods and services needed = more jobs availible. The idea that jobs are some sort of fixed resource that would remain constant is just silly.
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| I'm very rational and I also have Jewish relatives that I most certainly do not hold any ill feelings for. Nice try taring me with the anti semitic brush though. |
Yeah, this is like a racist saying, "Hey, some of my best friends are black." It doesn't convince anyone. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| What facts have I contradicted and why are you so sure that only your facts are correct? |
You can start with the blatant and obviously false opinion piece you just posted in this article, which I all ready tore apart. I'm not going to go through every single tidbit of rubbish you post and provide a unique refutation for it.
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It's not just an opinion peace. Erskin Childers supported all his opinions with actual research.
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| This is not what I meant. Maybe I was unclear but the reason I called you a hypocrite was because you don't mind demonizing Arabs but woe betide anyone who in your opinion attempts to demonize Israel. |
I don't demonize Arabs. I don't demonize anyone. I really dislike Islam (and Christianity, and even Judaism for that matter; religion is a bad thing), but the only reason I talk about things like human-rights abuses in Arabic countries is because people here are trying to construe Israel as worse than those countries. |
Where have I ever said that Israel was worse than other Arab countries?
You sir are the one who said that Arab countries can't be trusted and therefore needn't deal with them. Both Egypt and Jordan have signed peace agreements with Israel and to my knowledge both countries continue to honor their agreements.
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As far as I'm concerned, Arabic countries can do more or less as they please as long as they do it in their own countries. |
Yes this is my current stance. I don't condone anything they do nor I support it. But you yourself have admitted that Arab countries use Israel as an excuse not give freedom to their own people so it seems to me that Israel's refusal to deal with other Arab nations is an impediment to bringing change to rest of the ME.
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My entire position is that no nation is perfect. That includes Israel, and it especially includes Israel's enemies. I'm defending Israel against the charge that it's some sort of evil monster surrounded by otherwise benign parties.
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Where have I ever said that Israel was an evil monster anything like that? Pro Zionists on the other hand make the claim regularly that Israel is some sort of bastion of freedom surrounded an enemy both capable and intent on it's destruction. The fact of the matter is Israel is by far the most powerful country in the ME and it's refusal to make any real concessions for peace (don't tell me that it's removal of a few settlements in Gaza whilst constructing even more on the West bank is example of Israeli good faith.) It also only tolerates non Jewish people who many cases must fear being expelled from their country at any time.
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I'm refuting ideas like, "It's understandable that Muslims harass Jews because Israel exists."
These are nonsensical, rubbish ideas. Israel is just a nation like any other,
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Israel is not just any nation. How many countries do you know exist today that would not have existed less than century ago were it not for the forced expulsion of near an entire group of people?
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and like any nation stuck in prolonged hostilities, it's got some black marks on its record. I don't support those black marks, but I don't excessively demonize them either. |
Black marks? Are you soft in the head? Israel was created by people who knew dam well that Arabs would have to expelled from their homes to make way for a Jewish state. Sorry but that's one hell of a black mark against it.
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| I believe that anybody with an open mind wishing to understand what has happened in the region would easily come to the conclusion that Israel is no more to be trusted than any other country in the region. |
I really don't feel like you or the other anti-Israelis on this board are advancing this case, though. |
You don't want to know that is your problem.
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I see a systematic pattern of attacking Israel while ignoring -- or even apologizing for -- the behavior of its Arab neighbors. |
Funny I see a systematic pattern of attacking Arabs while ignoring -- or even apologizing for -- the behavior of Israel.
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| Erskin Childers is an utterly rubbish source but openly pro Zionists are all fine and dandy with you? |
Erskin Childers is an utterly rubbish source because, as I demonstrated in the portions of the post that you cut out, everything he said in the article in question is either completely the opposite of reality, or pure a priori assumption.
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No I don't believe you did. |
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caniff
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Maybe we should just pick up "The Holy Land" brick by brick along with all the Israelis and move the whole shebang over to America. Maybe the Amish are another lost tribe of Israel and they'd all get along, who knows.
Wouldn't work, huh? I had a feeling it wouldn't (physically I'm sure it actually could be done - especially given the vast amount of resources currrently dumped into that desert and on its people - but what fun would that be?) |
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Fox
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| It's not just an opinion peace. Erskin Childers supported all his opinions with actual research. |
So what? Research only produces accurate results if you demonstrate integrity. If you've got an agenda and let it affect your "research" then the "research" is nothing more than a pretext to lend more weight to your propaganda. Given everything he wrote in the text you quoted is either outright in contradiction with reality or totally unsubstantiated speculation, he clearly falls into this category. Believe him if you want, I don't care. It just makes me all the more certain that Jews need a place of their own, because people like you will always support their harassment.
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| Where have I ever said that Israel was worse than other Arab countries? |
Don't be obtuse. Your constantly attack on Israel coupled with near total silence about its Arabic neighbors makes no sense if you don't think Israel is worse. I'm not going to play this game with you; we both know the case you're making, we both know what assumptions are behind it, and I don't care if you don't have the guts to just out and out say it. Try to weasal around all you like, it won't get you anywhere.
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| You sir are the one who said that Arab countries can't be trusted and therefore needn't deal with them. Both Egypt and Jordan have signed peace agreements with Israel and to my knowledge both countries continue to honor their agreements. |
Given the Egyptian president who signed the peace treaty in question not only saw his popularity evaporate after signing it, but was assassinated because of it, yeah, we'll see how long that lasts. Extremists have all ready attempted to assassinate his successor as well. Regarding Jordan, their about-face on the Palestinian refugee situation seems to imply the winds are shifting in that country as well. Needless to say, I feel it's only a matter of time. But you don't care about those factors; all you care about is anything that allows you to construe Israel as worse than its neighbors.
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| But you yourself have admitted that Arab countries use Israel as an excuse not give freedom to their own people so it seems to me that Israel's refusal to deal with other Arab nations is an impediment to bringing change to rest of the ME. |
Blaming Israel for the actions of dictatorial governments in other countries is just another example of what I'm talking about here. It always comes back to Israel with you. It's not Israel that's the impediment to bringing change to the rest of the ME, it's the dictatorial governments that use Israel as a justification for their actions. If you want to rage at someone, rage at them.
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| Where have I ever said that Israel was an evil monster anything like that? |
When have you ever passed on an opportunity to attack Israel? Like I said, I'm not playing this game with you. We both know how you've comported yourself on this topic, no point in denying it. You've attacked Israel constantly and almost exclusively. If you change your behavior, I'll judge you differently. If you keep attacking Israel like an angry dog that smells meat, then no amount of rhetoric is going to change my mind.
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| Pro Zionists on the other hand make the claim regularly that Israel is some sort of bastion of freedom surrounded an enemy both capable and intent on it's destruction. |
It's not a bastion of freedom in objective terms, but it's quite free for a Middle Eastern nation, and it is surrounded by enemies. There is no nation in the Middle East whose values more closely mirror ours than Israel. That doesn't mean anyone's obligated to support it, but to attack it constantly and exclusively as you do is simply ridiculous.
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| The fact of the matter is Israel is by far the most powerful country in the ME and it's refusal to make any real concessions for peace (don't tell me that it's removal of a few settlements in Gaza whilst constructing even more on the West bank is example of Israeli good faith.) |
Yes, it is the most powerful country in the Middle East. As such, why on Earth should it be unilaterally making concessions? That's what every proposed peace agreement amounts to: Israel giving things up, and neighboring Arabic nations agreeing to peace. In what twisted fantasy world is the most powerful party expected to make all the concessions for peace?
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| Israel is not just any nation. How many countries do you know exist today that would not have existed less than century ago were it not for the forced expulsion of near an entire group of people? |
If you arbitrarily limit the time frame to a century, sure. If you take off that purely artifical time limit, then plenty, the United States included. Israel being the newest nation doesn't mean it should be judged differently. This is just yet another, "I'm going to find any fault with Israel I can," tactic. The past is the past, and it can't be changed now. Israel is a nation in the present, just like the United States is a nation in the present. Nothing will change that, so judging these nations differently is irrational and pointless.
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| Black marks? Are you soft in the head? Israel was created by people who knew dam well that Arabs would have to expelled from their homes to make way for a Jewish state. Sorry but that's one hell of a black mark against it. |
So was the United States.
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| No I don't believe you did. |
I'm content that I did. I broke the text you quoted down into 3 main points, and demonstrated that 2 of those points were obvious lies. You tried to defend him by ignoring those 2 lies and focusing on the part I myself passed over, so I then pointed out that part was not only lacking in data-based support, it was lacking in meaningful assertions: the fact that he hasn't seen any proof of something is totally uncompelling and ultimately meaningless. Your response to this was to insist that his lies were "based on research," which is silly; I can do research and then lie too. Anyone can. Obviously if I'm calling him a liar, then I'm saying any "research" he did was also fraudulent (or it was genuine and he ignored it, but I doubt that).
If you've got some serious points to make, then stop pissing around with your uninformed, franky nonsensical opinions about how Arab nations supposedly couldn't accept Palestinian refugees because there weren't enough jobs and make it. If you don't, then I don't think we have much more to discuss. |
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bacasper
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G-d forbid the president support his VP! In the comments section, more people would appear to support the Pres & VP on this than oppose. Washington seems to have the bigger problem with it.
US criticism of Israel ignites firestorm
By MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writer Matthew Lee, Associated Press Writer � 2 hrs 54 mins ago
WASHINGTON � The Obama administration's fierce denunciation of Israel last week has ignited a firestorm in Congress and among powerful pro-Israel interest groups who say the criticism of America's top Mideast ally was misplaced.
Since the controversy erupted, a bipartisan parade of influential lawmakers and interest groups has taken aim at the administration's decision to publicly condemn Israel for its announcement of new Jewish housing in east Jerusalem while Vice President Joe Biden was visiting on Tuesday and then openly vent bitter frustration on Friday.
With diplomats from both countries referring to the situation as a crisis, the outpouring of anger in the United States, particularly from Capitol Hill, comes at a difficult time for the administration, which is now trying to win support from wary lawmakers � many of whom are up for re-election this year � for health care reform and other domestic issues.
And those criticizing the administration's unusually blunt response to Israel say they fear it may have distracted from and done damage to efforts to relaunch long-stalled Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.
"It might be well if our friends in the administration and other places in the United States could start refocusing our efforts on the peace process," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Monday.
"Now we've had our spat. We've had our family fight, and it's time for us now to stop and get our eye back on the goal, which is the commencement of the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks," he said.
McCain and Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., both urged the administration to ease the tone of the dispute, which they said was demonstrating disunity and weakness to steadfast allies of Iran.
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TheUrbanMyth
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Since the controversy erupted, a bipartisan parade of influential lawmakers and interest groups has taken aim at the administration's decision to publicly condemn Israel ] |
Good. Maybe that pompous windbag Biden will learn to keep his mouth shut from on now...or maybe Obama will learn to keep him on a short leash.
That's really going to encourage Israel to press ahead with the peace process...  |
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adventuregal
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Israel Sandbags Biden |
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| When the Arab world gives Israel an incentive to change it's behavior, it will. |
Thank You!! I'm glad someone else out there is in the same frame of mind.
I don't think establishing new settlements in the disputed territory is helping anyone, but until the Arab world can pull it together, there's no use on agreeing to concessions that will only hurt Israel - there's NO logical reason for it! It rewards violence! |
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