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carleverson
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| The sole purpose of the ipad is browsing the web (no-flash sites) while taking a dump on the toilet. This POS serves absolutely no other purpose. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| It's easy to call people names without actually realizing that thisproduct might suit a purpose. |
I already listed several purposes it might work for.
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| I've never owned anything Apple - I'm not a fan boy. But I can se how this product can fit nicely into my names. |
I never claimed it was useless.
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| No need to belittle people who want to buy it. |
Didn't do that either. I simply find the attitude that people should re-adjust their expectations lower for this device which is being marketed as a netbook killer hilarious. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Adam Carolla wrote: |
Didn't do that either. I simply find the attitude that people should re-adjust their expectations lower for this device which is being marketed as a netbook killer hilarious. |
I don't think Apple ever said it was a netbook killer. The hype surrounding the Ipad prior to its unveiling deemed it a netbook killer and everyone thought it would have eery feature known to man.
Apple's product history clearly shows that they do not strive to do everything.
Look at the 1st Iphone. No video. Crappy camera compared to other phones on the market.
Compare PMP players versus the Ipod touch. The touch lacks many features other companies' PMP plays do.
Ipod Classic is just an MP3 player with huge storage. It was probably the last product to have color. Even then, video functionality came later.
All Apple did was announce they were making a tablet and everyone from 12 year olds in forums, to Media Experts talked about all the "possibilities". then, when Steve Jobs unveiled the Ipad, everyone was disappointed. Why? Apple was tight lipped about the Ipad. They didn't hype anyone up.
Look at the Iphone 3GS. It wasn't cutting edge when it was released. It wasn't the "best". Apple never releases "the best". Their Macs are no where close to, say, an Alienware in terms of Hardware. Their Macbooks aren't as powerful as other companies.
People let themselves down.
Personally, I was a huge critic of the Ipad. However, having used an eReader, I can understand where there is a market for the Ipad. Is it perfect? No. When has Apple's Gen1 products ever been perfect? Its usually Gen2/Gen3 where the product really shines. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Right, Adam.
Apple is so hoping that the iPad can ride on the coattails of their previous successes.
The Apple brand and marketing can be so persuasive......and we all know there are tens of thousands of Macheads who seem so absolutely delighted with their Apple products..........so it can be very tempting to think that this or that Apple product must have something to it........it must be something special.......all these people have an almost religious fervor for these products.....it must be good!!
It's all marketing. Apple very cleverly made ownership of Apple products a way to say, "I'm not one of the mindless herd. I'm a free-thinking individual"...........it's not real of course. It's just marketing.
Apple products aren't really special or good.......they're just marketed as such. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think Apple ever said it was a netbook killer. |
Have they stated it flat out? Not in so many words. However, they have strongly implied that the secret device they were working on was something to the effect of "a netbook done right."
Regardless, I still wonder what niche this device is going to fill. I think you and CC have me pegged as being anti-Apple or some sort of sheep joining the anti-iPad crowd. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm a guy who does a lot of research before buying any gadget and as a result, the stuff I have tends to be very good. I really don't see what purpose the iPad could serve well enough to warrant its purchase.
As a media player, well, encoding videos sucks. There are ways to make it suck less, but suck it does.
Having to use iTunes is not a big deal to me, I like iTunes and the functionality it enables on a media player (auto-bookmarking for example.)
As an e-reader, well, it's color (good), has a big screen (good), heavy (bad), and has extremely poor battery life for an e-reader (bad.)
But really, the most damning thing about it is what you and others have already said. It's a glorified iPod Touch. How's that a bad thing? The Touch is a great device, but what makes it great PDA as opposed to a crippled computer is this. The Touch does basically everything similar form-factor devices do and has thousands more functions (apps.)
I don't think the iPad will hold a similar advantage over netbooks. (Yes, I know it's not a "real computer", but it looks like a computer and acts like a computer, so we're going to compare it to a computer.) |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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It's easy to call people names without actually realizing that thisproduct might suit a purpose.
I've never owned anything Apple - I'm not a fan boy. But I can se how this product can fit nicely into my names.
No need to belittle people who want to buy it. |
I think the problem is cost vs ability scale. Sure it might fit your needs but they are charging you out the nose for it when their other devices that do more stuff and cheaper. 600 bucks for a web machine that can't multitask? really? I can't buy into it but if it fits your needs... |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you and CC have me pegged as being anti-Apple or some sort of sheep joining the anti-iPad crowd. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm a guy who does a lot of research before buying any gadget and as a result, the stuff I have tends to be very good. I really don't see what purpose the iPad could serve well enough to warrant its purchase. |
I'm the same guy. I like to do my research and see if a particular item is worth having. I was just pointing out that the expectiations for the Ipad came externally. Apple is equally guilty for letting the rumor mill get out of control. Was the I-pad a huge letdown for many people? YES.
I said so before, and I say it now. The Ipad fills a niche market. Much like the Macbook AIR. Steve Job's mistake is assuming that everyone and their mother NEEDS an Ipad in their homes. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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here are the priorities of what I am looking for - perhaps someone can suggest a devise that is better.
-watching/showing videos
-getting the news
-getting information (ie. Wiki)
-showing simple materials/photos
-emailing
-reading comic books
-reading books
-simple office inputting (not much typing... just entering numbers in an excel like program on occasion)
-music
And all of this while I move from building to building, office to office, bus to train to coffee shop - carrying it.
Any thoughts?
And Adam, perhaps I do have you pegged wrong - but it was the fanboy comment that made me think that. i really didn't see the need for it. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Will give my own perspective on these:
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| -watching/showing videos |
I'm sure it's display is fantastic. The main caveat is that, if it's the same as the iPhone/Touch, you will need to convert videos to a format iTunes likes. This is a giant pain in the ass.
I use the New York Times app on my ipod. Great app, made greater because you can download the newspaper and view it offline, ie when you're not in wifi range. Netbooks might be able to do this, I've never tried.
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| -getting information (ie. Wiki) |
Depends on wifi unless you get the 3G version of the iPad if I'm not mistaken. If you have wifi, then it's probably equivalent to a netbook. If you have 3G, then it would have an advantage over a netbook. (But you pay for 3G.)
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| -showing simple materials/photos |
Showing photos is amazing on the iPod Touch, I'm sure the iPad would be similar. The downside is that you need to load photos through iTunes. Not a big deal. A netbook would be able to do the same, though it wouldn't have nearly the "wow" factor of swiping your finger across the screen to scroll photos.
Typing will be slower if you are a decent touch typist. Netbook would get a nod here if you are a decent typist. One thing in the iPad's favor is the e-mail notification system that alerts you to new e-mails as soon as you get them (depending on how long you have it set to check. My Touch is set to check every 15 minutes.)
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| -reading comic books |
Not aware of any comic book apps for the iPad/Touch, which is not to say there aren't any. There is a famous one for PC whose name escapes me at the moment.
I'd say the iPad is better than a netbook due to more convenient form factor.
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| -simple office inputting (not much typing... just entering numbers in an excel like program on occasion) |
Probably doesn't matter what you get for that.
If it's music on the go, probably the iPad over a netbook, thought I wouldn't choose either to listen to music on the move. Once seated at a table, they're probably very similar.
*This is all based on the iPad having the same OS and running the same apps as the iPhone/Touch, which seems likely. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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Yeah, individually, I think the nod can sometimes go either way, but when I put it all together... and carry it around with me... and use it while I'm carrying it - I feel the i-pad is for me.
All of this being said before I've actually held one in person. lol |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| my biggest gripe against netbooks is the short wide screen. It absolutely sucks for things that are vertically orientated like Documents, images, and comic books, and PDF's. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| my biggest gripe against netbooks is the short wide screen. It absolutely sucks for things that are vertically orientated like Documents, images, and comic books, and PDF's. |
Just tap Ctrl+Alt+right arrow. It will flip the screen so you can read horizontally. Full screen the document, and you've got a nice vertical page. You will look like a knob with your laptop on it's side though. |
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detourne_me
Joined: 26 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Is it perfect? No. When has Apple's Gen1 products ever been perfect? Its usually Gen2/Gen3 where the product really shines. |
This statement is so true.
Personally I will probably wait until 2nd Gen iPad to get one, and I will be getting one for 3 main reasons:
Watching movies, Reading Comic Books, and playing games.
I own a netbook and really at this point (after upgrading to a smart phone) I don't feel the need to ever get another one.
Sure playing games on the go is nice, but really it's not too convenient to pull out a netbook and start playing some RTS games while on the bus. PC games require more time, and I feel that the casual nature of devices like the iPad will suit on-the-go gaming much better.
For reading comics, the iPad wins hands down.
And for movies it's a toss-up - I don't need to constantly hold a netbook at a nice viewing angle, but the iPad offers extremely easy playback (like fast forwarding, etc.)
Video conversion is no problem whatsoever if you use Vuze. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Will the video player support subtitle files? The IPod Video didn't so it was a major pain in the ass having to encode AVI to MP4 with subtitles hard-burned in.
My cheapo Iriver PMP can even play AVI/XVID/DivX with the ability to display separate subtitle files.
It might not sound important to many, but sometimes subtitle files are necessary. Surely the geniuses in the Apple labs can figure out how to install AVI support.
Apple products never satisfy my inner tech-geek, but they sure do look shiny. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Apple intentionally cripple so many features.
One that really pissed me off, was not allowing the built in alarm on the iPod Touch, to play music. All you get is tinny sounds coming out the on board speaker. You have to buy an app to do get music.
My old 4th gen classic has no problems waking me up to music. |
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