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ChilgokBlackHole
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| CentralCali wrote: |
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| Why is everyone so ready to go to war over this? How do you people not get that the software was probably installed by someone else *for a reason* and the OP just didn't have enough brains to remove it? |
Why are you so ready to defend something so egregiously wrong? How do you not get there's a huge difference between monitoring the activities and stealing the passwords? |
Would you relax a little? Nobody is stealing anything. There's no reason to believe someone installed the software for the express purpose of collecting the foreign teacher's passwords. The most likely scenario, and therefore the one most likely to be true, is that the person who had this computer before him installed the software for some specific reason. When he got the computer, he never imaged it, and since it was probably an eccentric configuration to begin with, he inherited all the things that come with it.
What about this is hard to understand? |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| OP said there is a programme stealing his passwords. What part of that isn't theft exactly? |
The part where he wasn't smart enough to check out the machine *before* he started using it for unsanctioned activities.
Why is everyone so ready to go to war over this? How do you people not get that the software was probably installed by someone else *for a reason* and the OP just didn't have enough brains to remove it? |
How was the guy supposed to know that the computer had software like that on it? That is not normal. Do you check for password stealing software every time you go to an internet cafe? Most of that type softwre is well hidden anyway (for obvious reasons). If an employer back in North America or Western Europe tried to pull something like that, you can be sure that they'd be in court over it, and no judge would find the employer in the right.
If the employee was told that they could use the computer in their free time. Or if the employee HAS to use password protected sites for their job, then the employer has no business recording passwords. If they ARE going to record passwords then that has to be made clear to potential users of that terminal.
What the employer did was wrong. |
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jonbowman88
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Location: gwangju, s korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Let me clear up a little bit of confusion. I really don't believe the school was targeting me personally. It was my first week at that school and everyone treated me extremely nice.
Why was that program on there? i have no idea, since everything is in Korean it is a little difficult to know. My wife said that particular program is used for internet banking security. Why it showed my passwords when I turned the computer on, and then later had a popup window in the middle of class with my passwords being flashed, I'll never know.
People on here that say an employer is justified for intentionally stealing someone's passwords are ridiculous, and it really makes me wonder what happens in your head.
And for those of you who say I was stupid not to know there was a key logger program installed, you know next to nothing about computers, so don't try to give advice regarding them.
The only real reason I posted this, was to warn people of the dangers of using a computer that isn't yours. Anyone foolish enough to use a public computer for internet banking or credit card use should be warned. Anyways thats all. |
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ChilgokBlackHole
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| And for those of you who say I was stupid not to know there was a key logger program installed, you know next to nothing about computers, so don't try to give advice regarding them. |
Let me see if I'm getting this right:
You took a computer in a different language with an eccentric configuration from someone you just met, and you used that machine to access personal, password-protected information...
...and *I'm* the one who doesn't know anything about computers? |
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jonbowman88
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Location: gwangju, s korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Having my facebook password stolen really isn't going to mean the end of the world is near. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| Would you relax a little? |
I'm perfectly calm.
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| Nobody is stealing anything. |
You have an odd defintion of theft then. Phishing is stealing.
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There's no reason to believe someone installed the software for the express purpose of collecting the foreign teacher's passwords. The most likely scenario, and therefore the one most likely to be true, is that the person who had this computer before him installed the software for some specific reason. When he got the computer, he never imaged it, and since it was probably an eccentric configuration to begin with, he inherited all the things that come with it.
What about this is hard to understand? |
The school controls the computers issued by the school. The school also controls the network and access to it. If the situation is as the OP describes it, then the phishing happened at school and it's a school issue. Some posters here have been defending the idea of the school administration collecting passwords for any and all users for any site they visit. Such collection is unacceptable. |
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ChilgokBlackHole
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| The school controls the computers issued by the school. The school also controls the network and access to it. If the situation is as the OP describes it, then the phishing happened at school and it's a school issue. Some posters here have been defending the idea of the school administration collecting passwords for any and all users for any site they visit. Such collection is unacceptable. |
Is that what happened in this case?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man |
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b-class rambler
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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It's not unreasonable at all for the OP to be concerned when he suddenly finds out that his passwords have been saved on the machine without his knowledge, but at the same time some of the suggestions people have made on this thread about underhand behaviour and illegality on the part of the school are just ridiculous.
OP, from what you've said I reckon it's fairly obvious what has very probably happened. The person who used to have that machine as their PC at school had this program installed and wanted it to remember any passwords they used. No-one is spying on you and the school hasn't done anything dodgy to you. You've just inherited a PC from someone who couldn't remember their own passwords and was stupid enough to do internet banking on their school computer and have a program remembering all their passwords for them on said computer. In every country in the world, there are people who really are that stupid!! You know, if you could find out (a) who it was and (b) what their passwords conveniently stored on what is now your school PC are then you could, errr ........
Seriously though, ChilgokBlackHole got it spot on here - installed by someone else to do something they wanted for themselves ONLY. But let's cut the OP some slack too. It's fair enough to be concerned and confused about what happened in his situation, and he did come back to this thread to emphasise that he did not think the school was targetting him. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| stevieg4ever wrote: |
| OP said there is a programme stealing his passwords. What part of that isn't theft exactly? |
The part where he wasn't smart enough to check out the machine *before* he started using it for unsanctioned activities.
Why is everyone so ready to go to war over this? How do you people not get that the software was probably installed by someone else *for a reason* and the OP just didn't have enough brains to remove it? |
How was the guy supposed to know that the computer had software like that on it? That is not normal. Do you check for password stealing software every time you go to an internet cafe? Most of that type softwre is well hidden anyway (for obvious reasons). If an employer back in North America or Western Europe tried to pull something like that, you can be sure that they'd be in court over it, and no judge would find the employer in the right.
If the employee was told that they could use the computer in their free time. Or if the employee HAS to use password protected sites for their job, then the employer has no business recording passwords. If they ARE going to record passwords then that has to be made clear to potential users of that terminal.
What the employer did was wrong. |
How do we know it was the current employer who did something like this? It could have been the last principal who had it installed or the last user (as others have pointed out).
Seriously the paranoia and the lengths some people will go on here to establish an "us vs them" mentality is just downright disturbing.
AJFEI....employers in North America do have a right to read your personal E-mail and monitor your computer use...unless they've given the employee a reason to expect privacy.
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Banana_Man
Joined: 01 Mar 2010
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously the paranoia and the lengths some people will go on here to establish an "us vs them" mentality is just downright disturbing.[/quote]
Very well said.
Sometimes Korea is NOT out to get you!
Anyway, is there a chance you can reboot the computer - start it up fresh? |
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Banana_Man
Joined: 01 Mar 2010
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously the paranoia and the lengths some people will go on here to establish an "us vs them" mentality is just downright disturbing. |
That's it! |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| The school controls the computers issued by the school. The school also controls the network and access to it. If the situation is as the OP describes it, then the phishing happened at school and it's a school issue. Some posters here have been defending the idea of the school administration collecting passwords for any and all users for any site they visit. Such collection is unacceptable. |
Is that what happened in this case?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man |
You're doing a wonderful job of avoiding the points of my posts, said points other posters have had no problem in grasping. In this thread, some posters have been defending the idea--got it? the idea--of the school recording the loginid/password. My posts have been addressing that defense. Feel free to read my first post in this thread and you will also see that I suggested the OP speak with the school's computer personnel. Since it happened at school and the computer's connected to the school network, then it's definitely a computer security issue for the school.
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jonbowman88
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Location: gwangju, s korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| b-class rambler wrote: |
| The person who used to have that machine as their PC at school had this program installed and wanted it to remember any passwords they used. . |
This is never really occurred to me and is probably what happened.
However if the school was intending to steal my passwords, I find it astonishing how some people on here believe that this is perfectly acceptable. It's almost like saying "We frickin own those toilets and maintain them, so we'll take pictures of you using them if we want."
Anyways I'm done posting on this thread. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| No one may be out to get the OP, but given the amount of curiosity surrounding native speaking teachers in public schools, it would not surprise me to hear a co-teacher or other staff member stumbled across the passwords and curiously used them for fun or gossip fuel. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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How was the guy supposed to know that the computer had software like that on it? That is not normal. Do you check for password stealing software every time you go to an internet cafe? Most of that type softwre is well hidden anyway (for obvious reasons). If an employer back in North America or Western Europe tried to pull something like that, you can be sure that they'd be in court over it, and no judge would find the employer in the right.
If the employee was told that they could use the computer in their free time. Or if the employee HAS to use password protected sites for their job, then the employer has no business recording passwords. If they ARE going to record passwords then that has to be made clear to potential users of that terminal.
What the employer did was wrong. |
How do we know it was the current employer who did something like this? It could have been the last principal who had it installed or the last user (as others have pointed out).
Seriously the paranoia and the lengths some people will go on here to establish an "us vs them" mentality is just downright disturbing.
AJFEI....employers in North America do have a right to read your personal E-mail and monitor your computer use...unless they've given the employee a reason to expect privacy. |
True. Another possibility (if it really is a key logger) is that a fellow teacher installed it to snoop around in everyone else' business.
The thing that strikes me as odd is that the OP actually saw the program without even searching for it. Programs whose purpose is to steal passwords don't create pop-ups that announce that they are there. They either upload their stored data to another computer or they store it on the hard drive in an inconspicuous location.
It makes me think that what his wife said might be true, and that it wasn't intended for password theft. But in that case, why would someone do internet banking from a terminal that everyone has access to? And if it was just to remember passwords then why wouldn't someone just store them in the browser? All in all, I'd be inclined to believe that in this case no ill intent was intended. But as the OP pointed out, people SHOULD be very careful about what they do on a public/unsecure terminal.
To the OP, if only you are using this terminal, then just format it and reinstall everything - in English. It will take you a couple hours to get everything installed but it's worth it to have a computer that you can read the menus on. |
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