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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: "All black people, leave the store now" Reply with quote

I'm kind of surprised how much attention and effort was put on tracking down this idiot.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100320/ap_on_bi_ge/us_wal_mart_racial_comment

A 16-year-old boy who police said made an announcement at Walmart ordering all black people in the southern New Jersey store to leave was charged with harassment and bias intimidation, authorities said Saturday.

The boy, whose name is not being released because he is a juvenile, grabbed one of the courtesy phones at Walmart's Washington Township store Sunday evening and calmly announced: "Attention, Walmart customers: All black people, leave the store now," police said.

The teen was arrested Friday and released to the custody of his parents; police did not know whether he had a lawyer.

"This was an extremely disturbing event on many levels," Gloucester County Prosecutor Sean Dalton said at a news conference. "Any statements like these that can cause harm or grave concern must be addressed as quickly we possibly can."

Dalton said the case would be handled in juvenile court in neighboring Atlantic County, where the boy lives. He would not say whether the boy has a criminal record, citing the teen's age, and would not disclose the teen's race, saying that did not factor into the investigation.

The 16-year-old has been charged with harassment and bias intimidation.

Authorities would not say whether the announcement was planned or made impulsively. Police said they were also investigating a teenage boy who accompanied the suspect to the store, but the other boy has not been charged.

Officials for Bentonville, Ark.-based Wal-Mart Stores Inc. said the announcement was "unacceptable," and Dalton praised the company for its strong cooperation in the investigation.

"We're pleased this matter is resolved," Walmart spokesman David Tovar said in a statement issued after the news conference. "We have updated our intercom system at this store to prevent this from happening again. We again apologize to all of our customers and associates who had to listen to something so offensive."

Although a manager quickly went on the intercom system and apologized for the remark, many customers expressed their anger to store management. Some community members said Saturday that they've heard reports of similar incidents happening at the store in recent months that were not reported to police.

"We are concerned about that, and we're looking into these incidents. We want to work with the community to make sure these types of incidents don't happen," said Loretta Winters, president of the Gloucester County chapter of the NAACP.

Winters said she hopes the boy will get counseling and be educated about sensitivity so he can understand the consequences of his actions.

"I'm assuming this person didn't realize how hurtful his comments were," she said.
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madoka



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beat you guys to it:

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
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geldedgoat



Joined: 05 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: "All black people, leave the store now" Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
A 16-year-old boy who police said made an announcement at Walmart ordering all black people in the southern New Jersey store to leave was charged with harassment and bias intimidation, authorities said Saturday.


Shocked The prosecutors should be arrested and charged with harassment and bias intimidation for punishing this obvious harmless prank with any more than a slap-on-the-wrist.
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Street Magic



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: "All black people, leave the store now" Reply with quote

geldedgoat wrote:
madoka wrote:
A 16-year-old boy who police said made an announcement at Walmart ordering all black people in the southern New Jersey store to leave was charged with harassment and bias intimidation, authorities said Saturday.


:shock: The prosecutors should be arrested and charged with harassment and bias intimidation for punishing this obvious harmless prank with any more than a slap-on-the-wrist.


+1

This whole story was beyond retarded. I have no idea how anyone can interpret a sixteen year old hijacking a Walmart courtesy phone for two seconds as "intimidation." Absurd overreactions like this just make it all the more likely that genuine cases of racist insensitivity will be overlooked or even encouraged in retaliation to the abuses of PC.
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conrad2



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well....
Did all the black people in the store at that time leave or not?
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: "All black people, leave the store now" Reply with quote

Street Magic wrote:
I have no idea how anyone can interpret a sixteen year old hijacking a Walmart courtesy phone for two seconds as "intimidation." Absurd overreactions like this just make it all the more likely that genuine cases of racist insensitivity will be overlooked or even encouraged in retaliation to the abuses of PC.


Why not look up some of the responses by the black community.
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Street Magic



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: "All black people, leave the store now" Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
Street Magic wrote:
I have no idea how anyone can interpret a sixteen year old hijacking a Walmart courtesy phone for two seconds as "intimidation." Absurd overreactions like this just make it all the more likely that genuine cases of racist insensitivity will be overlooked or even encouraged in retaliation to the abuses of PC.


Why not look up some of the responses by the black community.


The story included a quote from the president of a local NAACP chapter:

Quote:
"We are concerned about that, and we're looking into these incidents. We want to work with the community to make sure these types of incidents don't happen," said Loretta Winters, president of the Gloucester County chapter of the NAACP.

Winters said she hopes the boy will get counseling and be educated about sensitivity so he can understand the consequences of his actions.

"I'm assuming this person didn't realize how hurtful his comments were," she said.


What other "black community" responses do you have in mind?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"This was an extremely disturbing event on many levels," Gloucester County Prosecutor Sean Dalton said at a news conference. "Any statements like these that can cause harm or grave concern must be addressed as quickly we possibly can."


Nothing about this event is disturbing on even a single level. 16 year old boys say all manner of stupid things. Was he rude and insensitive? Sure, but 16 year old boys are frequently rude and insensitive. The fact that we are not only arresting 16 year old boys for being rude and insensitive, but insisting that they get counselling because of it is what is disturbing.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bothered me was how the store managers and employees were immediately blamed and threatened for it. Everyone in America knows how easy it is to pick up one of those intercom phones in supermarkets undetected and speak all manners of sillyness.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shiver a little when I think of the vulgar jokes I pulled when I was a teenager working in a camera department, back when people weren't offended by every last thing. I took signs from the supermarket section and put one out saying "kosher bacon." Har har. Now I'd be taken away by helicopter for waterboarding / sensitivity counseling.

A prompt apology to shoppers, a banning from the store and a call home to the parents, and better monitoring of the intercom would have put all this to rest in days before. Now everything's on the internet in ten minutes and there's a lobby group to take advantage of it to grind their axe.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks to me like the cops rushed in to save the reputation of one of the bigger employers in the area. I doubt even WalMart is big enough to survive a reputation for tolerating racism.
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Street Magic



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
Now I'd be taken away by helicopter for waterboarding / sensitivity counseling.


I can't believe I forgot about this clip.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: "All black people, leave the store now" Reply with quote

Street Magic wrote:
geldedgoat wrote:
madoka wrote:
A 16-year-old boy who police said made an announcement at Walmart ordering all black people in the southern New Jersey store to leave was charged with harassment and bias intimidation, authorities said Saturday.


Shocked The prosecutors should be arrested and charged with harassment and bias intimidation for punishing this obvious harmless prank with any more than a slap-on-the-wrist.


+1

+2. The treatment he'll get from local blacks now will be enough of a punishment.
Fox wrote:
Nothing about this event is disturbing on even a single level. 16 year old boys say all manner of stupid things. Was he rude and insensitive? Sure, but 16 year old boys are frequently rude and insensitive. The fact that we are not only arresting 16 year old boys for being rude and insensitive, but insisting that they get counselling because of it is what is disturbing.

Yes. This could even have gone on the Criminalization of everyday kids thread.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:20 am    Post subject: Re: "All black people, leave the store now" Reply with quote

Street Magic wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:
Street Magic wrote:
I have no idea how anyone can interpret a sixteen year old hijacking a Walmart courtesy phone for two seconds as "intimidation." Absurd overreactions like this just make it all the more likely that genuine cases of racist insensitivity will be overlooked or even encouraged in retaliation to the abuses of PC.


Why not look up some of the responses by the black community.


The story included a quote from the president of a local NAACP chapter:

Quote:
"We are concerned about that, and we're looking into these incidents. We want to work with the community to make sure these types of incidents don't happen," said Loretta Winters, president of the Gloucester County chapter of the NAACP.

Winters said she hopes the boy will get counseling and be educated about sensitivity so he can understand the consequences of his actions.

"I'm assuming this person didn't realize how hurtful his comments were," she said.


What other "black community" responses do you have in mind?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYi8VfDqFs

"The apology took a long time and a lot of pushing from the guests" (what is she implying, that Walmart wouldn't have apologized without people demanding one?)

"This left part of the community scared."

"Shoppers offended by the remark said they have no plans to sue... YET. They want justice. They want the person responsible to be caught and prosecuted."


Here is a point I wish to bring up. If the person who said that were a Walmart Employee. Lets pretend he's was a 16 year old, minimum wage part time kid who wanted to play on the intercom.

Do you think the reaction would be the same? I think no. If it was a Walmart employee, everyone and their mother would be up in arms bashing the company and you'd have a 5 Million Man march in DC.

The only difference between that stupid kid and a walmart employee is a blue vest. Yet, that blue vest would've changed the entire dynamic of this event. Its hard for customers in the store to sue a kid over a stupid prank and racist comment. What are you gonna sue him for? His xbox? Much easier to sue a multi-billion dollar company.
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candyteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This 'kid' was sixteen and therefore should have been old enough to know the difference. This was no harmless prank as i see it, putting some fake spiders or rats or whatever on the shelves, would have been a harmless prank. It was a racist comment that he made, so of course he should be punished. Perhaps the charge was a bit much but he needed to realise that you cant do things like this and get away with it.

If this happened in Homeplus or E-Mart you know posters on here would be outraged!
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