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hellofaniceguy
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If 3 westerners did something like this, most Koreans would read the article, feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article in the paper.
We as westerners just notice it more because our ct's just like mentioning it in an attempt to make idle conversation. |
If 3 westerners did something like this....
where, in korea or another country?
If you meant to say korea...I disagree...there would be havoc in korea...koreans would not feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article.....oh no, protesting in the streets would happen. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
If 3 westerners did something like this, most Koreans would read the article, feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article in the paper.
We as westerners just notice it more because our ct's just like mentioning it in an attempt to make idle conversation. |
If 3 westerners did something like this....
where, in korea or another country?
If you meant to say korea...I disagree...there would be havoc in korea...koreans would not feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article.....oh no, protesting in the streets would happen. |
There have been ten recorded incidents of Westerners in sex-related crimes. See the link I posted in the other thread.
Not a single one ever caused protests in the streets.
Stop talking nonsense. The facts say otherwise. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans charge with rape in Canada |
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| Tud Ferguson wrote: |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/03/117_62758.html
If the situation were the other way around, we would never here the end of it, the name calling, calls for all teachers to be deported and all forms of stupid comments would be endless. Politicians would have a field day. But I bet you would be hard pressed to find a single Canadian who would say that all Koreans are horrible people who come to their country to commit crimes and steal their women. Why do westerners understand that you can't demonize an entire group based on the actions of a few, but here in Gorea the generalizing is over the top. |
Actually there has been at least one American teacher not only charged but convicted of rape. A GI (Westerner) was also charged with rape. Several other Westerners (teachers) have been charged with molesting children in their charge. I provided the link to this in the OTHER THREAD which talks about this.
Yet where are these names, and calls for all teachers to be deported?
Point is it HAS happened, and your apocalyptic scenario has not come about. |
I'd love to se your links for this.
Edit: I see your link to one... but that's a pretty weak link (as in details).
What about the 'several other ones'? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans charge with rape in Canada |
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I'd love to se your links for this.
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Looking for more ammo? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
If 3 westerners did something like this, most Koreans would read the article, feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article in the paper.
We as westerners just notice it more because our ct's just like mentioning it in an attempt to make idle conversation. |
If 3 westerners did something like this....
where, in korea or another country?
If you meant to say korea...I disagree...there would be havoc in korea...koreans would not feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article.....oh no, protesting in the streets would happen. |
There have been ten recorded incidents of Westerners in sex-related crimes. See the link I posted in the other thread.
Not a single one ever caused protests in the streets. |
Just ten? In how many years? Are you counting CPN? Because he committed no crimes in Korea.
Is there supposed to be a mass demonstration after every sex crime? Do Westerners have street protests after every one?
Good on the Koreans for not succumbing to sex witchhunt hysteria. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Koreans charge with rape in Canada |
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| Tud Ferguson wrote: |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/03/117_62758.html
If the situation were the other way around, we would never here the end of it, the name calling, calls for all teachers to be deported and all forms of stupid comments would be endless. |
So if 6 Foreigners rape 4 Foreign woman in Korea, Koreans would care?
I think not. The 6 Korean guys met the victims through a community Korean church, so I'm fairly certain the victims were of Korean descent. I've been to Korean churches all my life. Not too many non-Koreans there.
In fact, I've been hearing a lot about this over the Korean news. What do you want Koreans to do? Deport themselves from their own country? You want them to demand all Koreans abroad come back home immediately?
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How is this still a discussion? Anyone read my previous post? It was Korean dudes raping Korean women. It has no connection between the portrayal of Foreigners as rapists in Korea.
Doesn't anyone see that?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans charge with rape in Canada |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
I'd love to se your links for this.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
If 3 westerners did something like this, most Koreans would read the article, feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article in the paper.
We as westerners just notice it more because our ct's just like mentioning it in an attempt to make idle conversation. |
If 3 westerners did something like this....
where, in korea or another country?
If you meant to say korea...I disagree...there would be havoc in korea...koreans would not feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article.....oh no, protesting in the streets would happen. |
There have been ten recorded incidents of Westerners in sex-related crimes. See the link I posted in the other thread.
Not a single one ever caused protests in the streets. |
Just ten? In how many years? Are you counting CPN? Because he committed no crimes in Korea.
Is there supposed to be a mass demonstration after every sex crime? Do Westerners have street protests after every one?
Good on the Koreans for not succumbing to sex witchhunt hysteria. |
What are you on about?
The poster I was responding to said that if a Westerner were charged with a sex crime there would be protests in the streets. I merely pointed out that was inaccurate.
And yes, good on the Koreans for not succumbing to sex witchhunt hysteria (as certain posters think they would were a Westerner involved)
CC there are two threads on this topic. My link is in the other one just a little below this one.
I'll post the link later here...got to get ready for class soon. |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| If a westerner were involved in such a thing in Korea, it would be front page news and you(yes, you Urban Myth) would probably be looked at like a sex predator and, oh, I'm sure they would think up a new test in order to get a teaching visa. Probably something like every male teacher being forced to wear an electronic bracelet that beeps when they come within 10 feet of a Korean female. That is the future here. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| If a westerner were involved in such a thing in Korea, it would be front page news and you(yes, you Urban Myth) would probably be looked at like a sex predator and, oh, I'm sure they would think up a new test in order to get a teaching visa. Probably something like every male teacher being forced to wear an electronic bracelet that beeps when they come within 10 feet of a Korean female. That is the future here. |
Captain Corea
Here is the link:
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2009/09/closer-look-at-crime-statistics-for.html
Wishmaster
Despite the one incident of attempted rape and several cases of molestation (including a case where they had CCTV as evidence) there have been no electronic bracelets introduced. That is just a stupid thing to say. But then again you've never said anything else.
And your racist shtick is getting old. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
If 3 westerners did something like this, most Koreans would read the article, feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article in the paper.
We as westerners just notice it more because our ct's just like mentioning it in an attempt to make idle conversation. |
If 3 westerners did something like this....
where, in korea or another country?
If you meant to say korea...I disagree...there would be havoc in korea...koreans would not feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article.....oh no, protesting in the streets would happen. |
There have been ten recorded incidents of Westerners in sex-related crimes. See the link I posted in the other thread.
Not a single one ever caused protests in the streets. |
Just ten? In how many years? Are you counting CPN? Because he committed no crimes in Korea.
Is there supposed to be a mass demonstration after every sex crime? Do Westerners have street protests after every one?
Good on the Koreans for not succumbing to sex witchhunt hysteria. |
What are you on about?
The poster I was responding to said that if a Westerner were charged with a sex crime there would be protests in the streets. I merely pointed out that was inaccurate. |
OK, then let that guy answer. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
If 3 westerners did something like this, most Koreans would read the article, feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article in the paper.
We as westerners just notice it more because our ct's just like mentioning it in an attempt to make idle conversation. |
If 3 westerners did something like this....
where, in korea or another country?
If you meant to say korea...I disagree...there would be havoc in korea...koreans would not feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article.....oh no, protesting in the streets would happen. |
There have been ten recorded incidents of Westerners in sex-related crimes. See the link I posted in the other thread.
Not a single one ever caused protests in the streets. |
Just ten? In how many years? Are you counting CPN? Because he committed no crimes in Korea.
Is there supposed to be a mass demonstration after every sex crime? Do Westerners have street protests after every one?
Good on the Koreans for not succumbing to sex witchhunt hysteria. |
What are you on about?
The poster I was responding to said that if a Westerner were charged with a sex crime there would be protests in the streets. I merely pointed out that was inaccurate. |
OK, then let that guy answer. |
 I'm not stopping him. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Wishmaster wrote: |
| If a westerner were involved in such a thing in Korea, it would be front page news and you(yes, you Urban Myth) would probably be looked at like a sex predator and, oh, I'm sure they would think up a new test in order to get a teaching visa. Probably something like every male teacher being forced to wear an electronic bracelet that beeps when they come within 10 feet of a Korean female. That is the future here. |
Captain Corea
Here is the link:
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2009/09/closer-look-at-crime-statistics-for.html |
Thanks for the link, TUM. But... I don't see any conviction IN Korea.
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A teacher in Busan in April 2006 who was found have molested children in Canada.
A case at Seongnam English Village in May 2006 where the media reported that a native-speaking teacher of Korean descent had been accused of molesting female grade 6 students. Statements by the school later claimed that other teachers present saw no sexual harassment, and made it clear that the teacher, while Korean American, had been hired as a Korean-speaking teacher and not as a native speaking teacher (not that that stopped the Gyeonggi-do branch of the Korean Teachers and Educational Workers Union from releasing a statement saying that such incidents could "potentially occur at any time" because of unchecked native speakers' "relatively free attitudes about sex" and their "lack of a sense of responsibility").
The Australian who sent an email to his ex-girlfriend 'threatening her with AIDS' was accused of having molested students at a former job when he was arrested in July, 2007 (for teaching on a tourist visa) and was used as an example of 'molesting teachers' after Christopher Paul Neil was arrested (such as in this video). As revealed in the Sports Chosun article that broke his story, however, "KITA, an association for recruiters of English teaches, put A on the blacklist on its homepage, warning, �he often puts his hand on the students� bodies. It does not rise to the level of sexual harassment but it is absolutely inappropriate." KITA makes clear he did not 'molest' students.
Christopher Paul Neil, who taught in Korea, was arrested for molesting children in Southeast Asia in October 2007, but was not found to have committed crimes in Korea.
In January 2009, a university professor in Daejeon was found to have molested students in the U.S., though the crime was wiped from his criminal record. The Korean media have not reported any crimes committed by him in Korea. |
There's this small mention... but it's barely a blip
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| An American English teacher convicted of attempting to rape one of his students is also on the list[.] |
So many mentions of potential charges... but such a massive lack on convictions. I'm really at a loss as to why.
As far as I can figure... the only cnviction ever mentioned was the one barely mentioned.
Odd. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Wishmaster wrote: |
| If a westerner were involved in such a thing in Korea, it would be front page news and you(yes, you Urban Myth) would probably be looked at like a sex predator and, oh, I'm sure they would think up a new test in order to get a teaching visa. Probably something like every male teacher being forced to wear an electronic bracelet that beeps when they come within 10 feet of a Korean female. That is the future here. |
Captain Corea
Here is the link:
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2009/09/closer-look-at-crime-statistics-for.html |
Thanks for the link, TUM. But... I don't see any conviction IN Korea.
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A teacher in Busan in April 2006 who was found have molested children in Canada.
A case at Seongnam English Village in May 2006 where the media reported that a native-speaking teacher of Korean descent had been accused of molesting female grade 6 students. Statements by the school later claimed that other teachers present saw no sexual harassment, and made it clear that the teacher, while Korean American, had been hired as a Korean-speaking teacher and not as a native speaking teacher (not that that stopped the Gyeonggi-do branch of the Korean Teachers and Educational Workers Union from releasing a statement saying that such incidents could "potentially occur at any time" because of unchecked native speakers' "relatively free attitudes about sex" and their "lack of a sense of responsibility").
The Australian who sent an email to his ex-girlfriend 'threatening her with AIDS' was accused of having molested students at a former job when he was arrested in July, 2007 (for teaching on a tourist visa) and was used as an example of 'molesting teachers' after Christopher Paul Neil was arrested (such as in this video). As revealed in the Sports Chosun article that broke his story, however, "KITA, an association for recruiters of English teaches, put A on the blacklist on its homepage, warning, �he often puts his hand on the students� bodies. It does not rise to the level of sexual harassment but it is absolutely inappropriate." KITA makes clear he did not 'molest' students.
Christopher Paul Neil, who taught in Korea, was arrested for molesting children in Southeast Asia in October 2007, but was not found to have committed crimes in Korea.
In January 2009, a university professor in Daejeon was found to have molested students in the U.S., though the crime was wiped from his criminal record. The Korean media have not reported any crimes committed by him in Korea. |
There's this small mention... but it's barely a blip
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| An American English teacher convicted of attempting to rape one of his students is also on the list[.] |
So many mentions of potential charges... but such a massive lack on convictions. I'm really at a loss as to why.
As far as I can figure... the only cnviction ever mentioned was the one barely mentioned.
Odd. |
Which is of course my entire point (your comments I took the liberty of bolding). People have been going on and on about how if a Westerner were convicted of a sex crime, how the media would play it up and there would be protests in the streets and that newer and tougher laws would be bought in. And yet when it actually does occur...it gets maybe one sentence to itself out of an entire article. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Wishmaster wrote: |
| If a westerner were involved in such a thing in Korea, it would be front page news and you(yes, you Urban Myth) would probably be looked at like a sex predator and, oh, I'm sure they would think up a new test in order to get a teaching visa. Probably something like every male teacher being forced to wear an electronic bracelet that beeps when they come within 10 feet of a Korean female. That is the future here. |
Captain Corea
Here is the link:
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2009/09/closer-look-at-crime-statistics-for.html |
Thanks for the link, TUM. But... I don't see any conviction IN Korea.
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A teacher in Busan in April 2006 who was found have molested children in Canada.
A case at Seongnam English Village in May 2006 where the media reported that a native-speaking teacher of Korean descent had been accused of molesting female grade 6 students. Statements by the school later claimed that other teachers present saw no sexual harassment, and made it clear that the teacher, while Korean American, had been hired as a Korean-speaking teacher and not as a native speaking teacher (not that that stopped the Gyeonggi-do branch of the Korean Teachers and Educational Workers Union from releasing a statement saying that such incidents could "potentially occur at any time" because of unchecked native speakers' "relatively free attitudes about sex" and their "lack of a sense of responsibility").
The Australian who sent an email to his ex-girlfriend 'threatening her with AIDS' was accused of having molested students at a former job when he was arrested in July, 2007 (for teaching on a tourist visa) and was used as an example of 'molesting teachers' after Christopher Paul Neil was arrested (such as in this video). As revealed in the Sports Chosun article that broke his story, however, "KITA, an association for recruiters of English teaches, put A on the blacklist on its homepage, warning, �he often puts his hand on the students� bodies. It does not rise to the level of sexual harassment but it is absolutely inappropriate." KITA makes clear he did not 'molest' students.
Christopher Paul Neil, who taught in Korea, was arrested for molesting children in Southeast Asia in October 2007, but was not found to have committed crimes in Korea.
In January 2009, a university professor in Daejeon was found to have molested students in the U.S., though the crime was wiped from his criminal record. The Korean media have not reported any crimes committed by him in Korea. |
There's this small mention... but it's barely a blip
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| An American English teacher convicted of attempting to rape one of his students is also on the list[.] |
So many mentions of potential charges... but such a massive lack on convictions. I'm really at a loss as to why.
As far as I can figure... the only cnviction ever mentioned was the one barely mentioned.
Odd. |
Which is of course my entire point (your comments I took the liberty of bolding). People have been going on and on about how if a Westerner were convicted of a sex crime, how the media would play it up and there would be protests in the streets and that newer and tougher laws would be bought in. And yet when it actually does occur...it gets maybe one sentence to itself out of an entire article. |
Or maybe the Korean media just missed this one and didnt report it. If the Korean populace knows about it then they will take to the streets and riot -potentially. Do you think those two girls in 2002 were the first that a US soldier driving has run over in 50 plus years in Korea? Doubtful. But they sure as hell protested when the media reported it. |
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