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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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I apologize profusely if I've offended you, bit I get annoyed when people who are supposed to be fluent in a language can't spell. ! |
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As for spelling, an occasional spelling errors are fine when typos... |
I agree. It's so annoying when people can't spell or use proper grammar.
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The first was clearly a typo, silly! The letters U and I are right next to one another!
Good catch though! I was editing what I wrote and missed the second one when some students came in to have a cup of tea with me. It was originally going to read: occasional spelling errors, but I changed it to an and forgot to delete the s from errors when I hit submit. My mistake. Usually I preview first, but this time I just hit submit. <<bows>>
It's certainly not the same as what I was critiquing. |
I know...just joshing you. When I'm serious I don't put the smilies in..  |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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No offence NY Gal, but you are clearly a grammar snob.
You strike me as the same kind of person who used to tell me that I can't feel "good," but that I could feel "well," Or that you cant end a sentence with a preposition( when you can) and can not start a sentence with "and" ( when you can)
As a person who studied English for more years that I care to remember, someone who actually has a degree in the crazy field, the English langauge is a stupid language. I can not think of one rule ( NOT ONE) that holds up in all cases, there is never any set way to pronounce anything, and becoming fluent and perfect in it, even FOR a native speaker, is all but impossible.
As as someone rightfully pointed out ( no matter how you attempt to justify it) you make some of the same errors in your post.
If you were that concerned about what you preach you would have reread your post, and gone over it with a fine toothed comb and caught that typo and the use of a single and plural in the same sentence.
We dont need someone on an open forum telling us how we should conduct ourselves thanks, other than to follw the terms of service. I didn't see anything in the TOS about perfect grammar, not that there is such a thing in the absurd English Language anyway . |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
Location: under the hat
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| OK. Let's get back on topic... "Seoulio paints himself into a corner... |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Such is life NYC Gal. You pretty much missed the point I was making.
We oddly enough seem to agree on a few things so all is well.
By the way, the only reason I posted my qualifications was that you pretty much implied that I was not qualified in your previous post. I could have let that one slide but since you took the time to question my qualifications, I figured I would take the time to respond in kind.
As for the school we graduated from, I will put that down in the sarcasm category because I cannot believe you would actually wish to get in some silly my school is better than your school argument! 
Final point on spelling and grammar. I am not one to point out the spelling mistakes of others on an anonymous casual online forum. This is, in part, a forum for Teachers. This is also in large part a casual exchange forum. There are no academic standards on such a forum and for good reason.
I for one would not question a persons' qualifications based on spelling on an online forum. What that person says is a different beast however.....
I will focus on a few points in conclusion:
1- When I said full-time it seems to have sent you an odd message that screwed with your processing centre (ie your brain). Sorry to have expressed myself in a way that confused you.
So to be clear..
Korean Teachers in the PS system are Full-time, permanent (for the vast majority) career Teachers.
Foreign Teachers in the PS system are Full-time teaching assistants or co-teachers that are typically hired for a very specific portion of English education. Some schools use their Foreign Teachers more fully, many other do not. Foreign Teachers cannot according to their rules teach alone in a class at a PS but often do.
Both work full time hours (but often not as many hours for Foreign Staff nor as many duties).
Hope this clears it up. 
2- We are in complete agreement about qualifications (who has them and who does not). I know many FTs prepare a lot and produce great ideas and lesson plans. My initial comments in no way said they did not but you seem to feel the need to defend something I never attacked. I must have written it in a way that made you feel you had to defend the work of Foreign Teachers.
3- Respect and qualifications. Respect is a funny thing and can be shown in many different ways. Respect in a work setting is often linked to work culture, work environment and other factors. I wonder (I may regret this question...) what you mean by treated with more respect?
4- Nice twist on the posting credentials...I am not the one who questioned your qualifications. You sure did question mine in your first response to my post. Thats not 101 anything. That is responding to someone questionning my qualifications openly and then going on to use that in response to a post I made. To be sure here is what you said: Perhaps you aren't qualified (as your spelling seems to imply) but many of us have certifications up the wazoo, not to mention loads of experience from back home.
5- To be clear, I do not proof read what I write here. I write the response or post, hit submit and am done with it. Sometimes this is done with limited time. I have no problem with that and it sure does not indicate anything about my proficiency or ability in English when it comes to my work...but still you can keep pointing out the mistakes if it floats your boat.
Enjoy your time in Korea |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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No offence NY Gal, but you are clearly a grammar snob.
You strike me as the same kind of person who used to tell me that I can't feel "good," but that I could feel "well," Or that you cant end a sentence with a preposition( when you can) and can not start a sentence with "and" ( when you can)
As a person who studied English for more years that I care to remember, someone who actually has a degree in the crazy field, the English langauge is a stupid language. I can not think of one rule ( NOT ONE) that holds up in all cases, there is never any set way to pronounce anything, and becoming fluent and perfect in it, even FOR a native speaker, is all but impossible.
As as someone rightfully pointed out ( no matter how you attempt to justify it) you make some of the same errors in your post.
If you were that concerned about what you preach you would have reread your post, and gone over it with a fine toothed comb and caught that typo and the use of a single and plural in the same sentence.
We dont need someone on an open forum telling us how we should conduct ourselves thanks, other than to follw the terms of service. I didn't see anything in the TOS about perfect grammar, not that there is such a thing in the absurd English Language anyway . |
I made typing errors. The ones I pointed out were consistent spelling errors. As for starting a sentence with and, it's accepted nowadays. Prepositions are also accepted at the end of sentences (Winston Churchill was very clever with that one). If you'd read my response, I was in the middle of editing a sentence from a to an, and some students came in and I hit submit instead of preview, and didn't check until later. MY BAD. I admitted that. Oh look! I used idiomatic English! You mean a snob can use slang?! Who'd'a thunk it?
You can feel good if you've just volunteered at a soup kitchen
The TOS doesn't say anything about having perfect grammar, but wouldn't it be nice if you TRIED a little? Having been a private tutor, as well as an editor at a very well known national magazine for years, I don't think there's anything wrong with my being a grammar snob. I'm a foodie as well |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Such is life NYC Gal. You pretty much missed the point I was making.
We oddly enough seem to agree on a few things so all is well.
By the way, the only reason I posted my qualifications was that you pretty much implied that I was not qualified in your previous post. I could have let that one slide but since you took the time to question my qualifications, I figured I would take the time to respond in kind.
As for the school we graduated from, I will put that down in the sarcasm category because I cannot believe you would actually wish to get in some silly my school is better than your school argument!
Final point on spelling and grammar. I am not one to point out the spelling mistakes of others on an anonymous casual online forum. This is, in part, a forum for Teachers. This is also in large part a casual exchange forum. There are no academic standards on such a forum and for good reason.
I for one would not question a persons' qualifications based on spelling on an online forum. What that person says is a different beast however.....
I will focus on a few points in conclusion:
1- When I said full-time it seems to have sent you an odd message that screwed with your processing centre (ie your brain). Sorry to have expressed myself in a way that confused you.
So to be clear..
Korean Teachers in the PS system are Full-time, permanent (for the vast majority) career Teachers.
Foreign Teachers in the PS system are Full-time teaching assistants or co-teachers that are typically hired for a very specific portion of English education. Some schools use their Foreign Teachers more fully, many other do not. Foreign Teachers cannot according to their rules teach alone in a class at a PS but often do.
Both work full time hours (but often not as many hours for Foreign Staff nor as many duties).
Hope this clears it up.
2- We are in complete agreement about qualifications (who has them and who does not). I know many FTs prepare a lot and produce great ideas and lesson plans. My initial comments in no way said they did not but you seem to feel the need to defend something I never attacked. I must have written it in a way that made you feel you had to defend the work of Foreign Teachers.
3- Respect and qualifications. Respect is a funny thing and can be shown in many different ways. Respect in a work setting is often linked to work culture, work environment and other factors. I wonder (I may regret this question...) what you mean by treated with more respect?
4- Nice twist on the posting credentials...I am not the one who questioned your qualifications. You sure did question mine in your first response to my post. Thats not 101 anything. That is responding to someone questionning my qualifications openly and then going on to use that in response to a post I made. To be sure here is what you said: Perhaps you aren't qualified (as your spelling seems to imply) but many of us have certifications up the wazoo, not to mention loads of experience from back home.
5- To be clear, I do not proof read what I write here. I write the response or post, hit submit and am done with it. Sometimes this is done with limited time. I have no problem with that and it sure does not indicate anything about my proficiency or ability in English when it comes to my work...but still you can keep pointing out the mistakes if it floats your boat.
Enjoy your time in Korea |
1. I wasn't confused--you were using the term full time in an uncommon way--that's all. I was being sarcastic, as I've said. This is moot.
2. I just know a lot of foreign teachers that hate being lumped in with those who came for a year of slightly-respectable backpacking. That is all. That we (and many others) agree on this point, I'm fairly certain.
3. I'm shown a fair amount of respect, but there are some things that annoy the crap out of me (figuratively!) For instance, on Friday I had a coteacher that I usually get on with swimmingly come to my classroom as I was leaving at 4:40 to meet my friend at the gym, to tell me that she had some problems with the lesson I'd submitted to her 2 weeks prior. The lesson was really good, and she just didn't understand the procedure, so it worked out (after an hour and a half of explaining and going over and over the procedure), but I had to explain that she had had 2 weeks in which to discuss it with me, and that she was showing me a great deal of disrespect in waiting until AFTER work on Friday. I told her that I know that in Korea many things are done at the last minute, but I had shown her respect in giving her the work in advance, and I expected the same courtesy. I asked if she'd prefer if I gave her the materials the day of the class, with no time for her to review them. Busy busy busy! Anyone has time to send a text message, use that coolmessenger program that many of us use at school, or send a private email.
That and not being told that the next day is picture day, and being lucky enough to have worn a button down blouse and a bit of make-up that day. I'm sure I'm not the only one having experienced the joy of being in nice-but-not-formal clothes next to people dressed as though they are going to a wedding!
4. The 101 was based on your having said "just like qualifications up the wazoo would indicate (according to your logic) that you are emotionally unstable and possibly a tad over sensitive. I could also conclude that you are slightly paranoid and hyper sensitive because someone calling KT full time Teachers sends you in full ballistic mode to defend and justify your work...which by the way was never attacked..." Armchair psych. How is saying that it's wrong "unstable," "paranoid," and "ballistic"? As you rightly say: this is an online forum. Surely responding as I did is expected and quite normal.
5. I don't often point out mistakes. There were just many, and it struck a chord. I believe that people should pride themselves, but if you don't care, you're not alone! I apologize if I upset you <<bows>>
For the most part, I like Korea. I could probably do a year or so more, but would definitely be moving to HK or Taiwan in the not-too-distant future.
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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1.I get free rent worth 500 000 per month, I've seen the payslips
2.I go home at 12 if doing english camps,
3.I send home as much in some months as a young Korean Colleague makes, or thats what some Korean teacher friends told me
4.Both my Principle's and VP's treat me with exactly the same amount of respect I had working for the Govt back home, actually maybe more respect here
5. My kid's and parent's here show much more respect than back home
6. I have it far more easy than KT's and far more easy than I would in job's back home
7. When I begin my MTESOL I have been told I can study for it in the afternoons at school, I don't think the same thing is applicable for fulltime KT's
8. My KT'S are all ok and I give them the same respect back.
9. I have always gotten pay rises here and will get another one this year if I stay
Then again, I may just have been lucky here
So yeah I'm happy with my lot and if I'm considered an assistant, so be it, this is an incredibly easy way to live |
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dirving
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: South Korea
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You are fortunate.
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Satchel Paige
Joined: 29 Dec 2009
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Such is life NYC Gal. You pretty much missed the point I was making.
We oddly enough seem to agree on a few things so all is well.
By the way, the only reason I posted my qualifications was that you pretty much implied that I was not qualified in your previous post. I could have let that one slide but since you took the time to question my qualifications, I figured I would take the time to respond in kind.
As for the school we graduated from, I will put that down in the sarcasm category because I cannot believe you would actually wish to get in some silly my school is better than your school argument!
Final point on spelling and grammar. I am not one to point out the spelling mistakes of others on an anonymous casual online forum. This is, in part, a forum for Teachers. This is also in large part a casual exchange forum. There are no academic standards on such a forum and for good reason.
I for one would not question a persons' qualifications based on spelling on an online forum. What that person says is a different beast however.....
I will focus on a few points in conclusion:
1- When I said full-time it seems to have sent you an odd message that screwed with your processing centre (ie your brain). Sorry to have expressed myself in a way that confused you.
So to be clear..
Korean Teachers in the PS system are Full-time, permanent (for the vast majority) career Teachers.
Foreign Teachers in the PS system are Full-time teaching assistants or co-teachers that are typically hired for a very specific portion of English education. Some schools use their Foreign Teachers more fully, many other do not. Foreign Teachers cannot according to their rules teach alone in a class at a PS but often do.
Both work full time hours (but often not as many hours for Foreign Staff nor as many duties).
Hope this clears it up.
2- We are in complete agreement about qualifications (who has them and who does not). I know many FTs prepare a lot and produce great ideas and lesson plans. My initial comments in no way said they did not but you seem to feel the need to defend something I never attacked. I must have written it in a way that made you feel you had to defend the work of Foreign Teachers.
3- Respect and qualifications. Respect is a funny thing and can be shown in many different ways. Respect in a work setting is often linked to work culture, work environment and other factors. I wonder (I may regret this question...) what you mean by treated with more respect?
4- Nice twist on the posting credentials...I am not the one who questioned your qualifications. You sure did question mine in your first response to my post. Thats not 101 anything. That is responding to someone questionning my qualifications openly and then going on to use that in response to a post I made. To be sure here is what you said: Perhaps you aren't qualified (as your spelling seems to imply) but many of us have certifications up the wazoo, not to mention loads of experience from back home.
5- To be clear, I do not proof read what I write here. I write the response or post, hit submit and am done with it. Sometimes this is done with limited time. I have no problem with that and it sure does not indicate anything about my proficiency or ability in English when it comes to my work...but still you can keep pointing out the mistakes if it floats your boat.
Enjoy your time in Korea |
1. I wasn't confused--you were using the term full time in an uncommon way--that's all. I was being sarcastic, as I've said. This is moot.
2. I just know a lot of foreign teachers that hate being lumped in with those who came for a year of slightly-respectable backpacking. That is all. That we (and many others) agree on this point, I'm fairly certain.
3. I'm shown a fair amount of respect, but there are some things that annoy the crap out of me (figuratively!) For instance, on Friday I had a coteacher that I usually get on with swimmingly come to my classroom as I was leaving at 4:40 to meet my friend at the gym, to tell me that she had some problems with the lesson I'd submitted to her 2 weeks prior. The lesson was really good, and she just didn't understand the procedure, so it worked out (after an hour and a half of explaining and going over and over the procedure), but I had to explain that she had had 2 weeks in which to discuss it with me, and that she was showing me a great deal of disrespect in waiting until AFTER work on Friday. I told her that I know that in Korea many things are done at the last minute, but I had shown her respect in giving her the work in advance, and I expected the same courtesy. I asked if she'd prefer if I gave her the materials the day of the class, with no time for her to review them. Busy busy busy! Anyone has time to send a text message, use that coolmessenger program that many of us use at school, or send a private email.
That and not being told that the next day is picture day, and being lucky enough to have worn a button down blouse and a bit of make-up that day. I'm sure I'm not the only one having experienced the joy of being in nice-but-not-formal clothes next to people dressed as though they are going to a wedding!
4. The 101 was based on your having said "just like qualifications up the wazoo would indicate (according to your logic) that you are emotionally unstable and possibly a tad over sensitive. I could also conclude that you are slightly paranoid and hyper sensitive because someone calling KT full time Teachers sends you in full ballistic mode to defend and justify your work...which by the way was never attacked..." Armchair psych. How is saying that it's wrong "unstable," "paranoid," and "ballistic"? As you rightly say: this is an online forum. Surely responding as I did is expected and quite normal.
5. I don't often point out mistakes. There were just many, and it struck a chord. I believe that people should pride themselves, but if you don't care, you're not alone! I apologize if I upset you <<bows>>
For the most part, I like Korea. I could probably do a year or so more, but would definitely be moving to HK or Taiwan in the not-too-distant future.
Best wishes! |
WOW!!! You can cook, you stay in shape, you hang out with celebrities, you were fielding hundreds of job offers before you even stepped on the plane, you throw in British English words just to add the extra little bit of wit and sophistication to your writing, you are SUPERTEACHER at work...... NYC girl is there anything you CAN'T DO?? P-PLEASE TELL ME!!! My heart can't take it ONE MORE MINUTE!!! |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Such is life NYC Gal. You pretty much missed the point I was making.
We oddly enough seem to agree on a few things so all is well.
By the way, the only reason I posted my qualifications was that you pretty much implied that I was not qualified in your previous post. I could have let that one slide but since you took the time to question my qualifications, I figured I would take the time to respond in kind.
As for the school we graduated from, I will put that down in the sarcasm category because I cannot believe you would actually wish to get in some silly my school is better than your school argument!
Final point on spelling and grammar. I am not one to point out the spelling mistakes of others on an anonymous casual online forum. This is, in part, a forum for Teachers. This is also in large part a casual exchange forum. There are no academic standards on such a forum and for good reason.
I for one would not question a persons' qualifications based on spelling on an online forum. What that person says is a different beast however.....
I will focus on a few points in conclusion:
1- When I said full-time it seems to have sent you an odd message that screwed with your processing centre (ie your brain). Sorry to have expressed myself in a way that confused you.
So to be clear..
Korean Teachers in the PS system are Full-time, permanent (for the vast majority) career Teachers.
Foreign Teachers in the PS system are Full-time teaching assistants or co-teachers that are typically hired for a very specific portion of English education. Some schools use their Foreign Teachers more fully, many other do not. Foreign Teachers cannot according to their rules teach alone in a class at a PS but often do.
Both work full time hours (but often not as many hours for Foreign Staff nor as many duties).
Hope this clears it up.
2- We are in complete agreement about qualifications (who has them and who does not). I know many FTs prepare a lot and produce great ideas and lesson plans. My initial comments in no way said they did not but you seem to feel the need to defend something I never attacked. I must have written it in a way that made you feel you had to defend the work of Foreign Teachers.
3- Respect and qualifications. Respect is a funny thing and can be shown in many different ways. Respect in a work setting is often linked to work culture, work environment and other factors. I wonder (I may regret this question...) what you mean by treated with more respect?
4- Nice twist on the posting credentials...I am not the one who questioned your qualifications. You sure did question mine in your first response to my post. Thats not 101 anything. That is responding to someone questionning my qualifications openly and then going on to use that in response to a post I made. To be sure here is what you said: Perhaps you aren't qualified (as your spelling seems to imply) but many of us have certifications up the wazoo, not to mention loads of experience from back home.
5- To be clear, I do not proof read what I write here. I write the response or post, hit submit and am done with it. Sometimes this is done with limited time. I have no problem with that and it sure does not indicate anything about my proficiency or ability in English when it comes to my work...but still you can keep pointing out the mistakes if it floats your boat.
Enjoy your time in Korea |
1. I wasn't confused--you were using the term full time in an uncommon way--that's all. I was being sarcastic, as I've said. This is moot.
2. I just know a lot of foreign teachers that hate being lumped in with those who came for a year of slightly-respectable backpacking. That is all. That we (and many others) agree on this point, I'm fairly certain.
3. I'm shown a fair amount of respect, but there are some things that annoy the crap out of me (figuratively!) For instance, on Friday I had a coteacher that I usually get on with swimmingly come to my classroom as I was leaving at 4:40 to meet my friend at the gym, to tell me that she had some problems with the lesson I'd submitted to her 2 weeks prior. The lesson was really good, and she just didn't understand the procedure, so it worked out (after an hour and a half of explaining and going over and over the procedure), but I had to explain that she had had 2 weeks in which to discuss it with me, and that she was showing me a great deal of disrespect in waiting until AFTER work on Friday. I told her that I know that in Korea many things are done at the last minute, but I had shown her respect in giving her the work in advance, and I expected the same courtesy. I asked if she'd prefer if I gave her the materials the day of the class, with no time for her to review them. Busy busy busy! Anyone has time to send a text message, use that coolmessenger program that many of us use at school, or send a private email.
That and not being told that the next day is picture day, and being lucky enough to have worn a button down blouse and a bit of make-up that day. I'm sure I'm not the only one having experienced the joy of being in nice-but-not-formal clothes next to people dressed as though they are going to a wedding!
4. The 101 was based on your having said "just like qualifications up the wazoo would indicate (according to your logic) that you are emotionally unstable and possibly a tad over sensitive. I could also conclude that you are slightly paranoid and hyper sensitive because someone calling KT full time Teachers sends you in full ballistic mode to defend and justify your work...which by the way was never attacked..." Armchair psych. How is saying that it's wrong "unstable," "paranoid," and "ballistic"? As you rightly say: this is an online forum. Surely responding as I did is expected and quite normal.
5. I don't often point out mistakes. There were just many, and it struck a chord. I believe that people should pride themselves, but if you don't care, you're not alone! I apologize if I upset you <<bows>>
For the most part, I like Korea. I could probably do a year or so more, but would definitely be moving to HK or Taiwan in the not-too-distant future.
Best wishes! |
WOW!!! You can cook, you stay in shape, you hang out with celebrities, you were fielding hundreds of job offers before you even stepped on the plane, you throw in British English words just to add the extra little bit of wit and sophistication to your writing, you are SUPERTEACHER at work...... NYC girl is there anything you CAN'T DO?? P-PLEASE TELL ME!!! My heart can't take it ONE MORE MINUTE!!! |
I only hung out with a handful of celebs and CEOs outside of work, but I interacted with others daily, and made some great connections. Not hundreds of jobs, but enough to give me some nice options. I just needed a change for a bit, and already had some friends who were enjoying it here.
As for cooking, I was raised on typical American fare, so later on I embraced healthy living, and found that my mild OCD (which I'm sure you've noticed in my posts!) coupled with a love of preparing food made me a bit of a food snob. It's just easier when you live in a city with so many ethnically diverse cultures, as well as countless farmers' markets. I miss Union Square's market, and last fall I was pretty bummed, because I would have been loading up on goodies.
With keeping in shape--I try. Moving here has made it a tad difficult, with certain health foods very difficult to procure, so 5 kilo have mysteriously creeped onto my body (thankfully in flattering areas. *ahem*). I walk a lot, but not nearly as much as I did back home. I'm by no means a porker, though. Pilates and yoga are a Darwin-send.
I love teaching. I love helping shape future citizens with open minds. It's probably the mommy instinct, but I'd like to wait a few years on that! This is a nice alternative for the time being. I'd like to have my first few years of marriage to be sans kiddies.
My fiance's English. We've had some of our lexicons rub off on one another over the years. (That sounded naughty!) I also read a lot of classics in my formative years, so happened to pick up on certain phrasing that I prefered. I do spell in the American style, and do enjoy siding with Americans when arguing with my English friends, just to mess with them. Perhaps you've heard of how much New Yorkers love to argue? It's a form of amusement that others take far more seriously than we do. Oftentimes something that I post can come across sounding FAR nastier than it would to my fellow rude New Yorkers. Also, I can still slang it up American style with the best of them!
I can't do a cartwheel. I never had the need to learn to drive, being in NYC, and can't read in a moving vehicle (maps are out of the question,) therefore I am useless on road trips unless you count providing musical entertainment in the form of singing random annoying cartoon and video game theme songs from my youth |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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Hey Homer,
If you were going to compare schools, the last time I looked McGill was higher rated than New York University.
http://www.world-university-ranking.com/
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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Such is life NYC Gal. You pretty much missed the point I was making.
We oddly enough seem to agree on a few things so all is well.
By the way, the only reason I posted my qualifications was that you pretty much implied that I was not qualified in your previous post. I could have let that one slide but since you took the time to question my qualifications, I figured I would take the time to respond in kind.
As for the school we graduated from, I will put that down in the sarcasm category because I cannot believe you would actually wish to get in some silly my school is better than your school argument!
Final point on spelling and grammar. I am not one to point out the spelling mistakes of others on an anonymous casual online forum. This is, in part, a forum for Teachers. This is also in large part a casual exchange forum. There are no academic standards on such a forum and for good reason.
I for one would not question a persons' qualifications based on spelling on an online forum. What that person says is a different beast however.....
I will focus on a few points in conclusion:
1- When I said full-time it seems to have sent you an odd message that screwed with your processing centre (ie your brain). Sorry to have expressed myself in a way that confused you.
So to be clear..
Korean Teachers in the PS system are Full-time, permanent (for the vast majority) career Teachers.
Foreign Teachers in the PS system are Full-time teaching assistants or co-teachers that are typically hired for a very specific portion of English education. Some schools use their Foreign Teachers more fully, many other do not. Foreign Teachers cannot according to their rules teach alone in a class at a PS but often do.
Both work full time hours (but often not as many hours for Foreign Staff nor as many duties).
Hope this clears it up.
2- We are in complete agreement about qualifications (who has them and who does not). I know many FTs prepare a lot and produce great ideas and lesson plans. My initial comments in no way said they did not but you seem to feel the need to defend something I never attacked. I must have written it in a way that made you feel you had to defend the work of Foreign Teachers.
3- Respect and qualifications. Respect is a funny thing and can be shown in many different ways. Respect in a work setting is often linked to work culture, work environment and other factors. I wonder (I may regret this question...) what you mean by treated with more respect?
4- Nice twist on the posting credentials...I am not the one who questioned your qualifications. You sure did question mine in your first response to my post. Thats not 101 anything. That is responding to someone questionning my qualifications openly and then going on to use that in response to a post I made. To be sure here is what you said: Perhaps you aren't qualified (as your spelling seems to imply) but many of us have certifications up the wazoo, not to mention loads of experience from back home.
5- To be clear, I do not proof read what I write here. I write the response or post, hit submit and am done with it. Sometimes this is done with limited time. I have no problem with that and it sure does not indicate anything about my proficiency or ability in English when it comes to my work...but still you can keep pointing out the mistakes if it floats your boat.
Enjoy your time in Korea |
1. I wasn't confused--you were using the term full time in an uncommon way--that's all. I was being sarcastic, as I've said. This is moot.
2. I just know a lot of foreign teachers that hate being lumped in with those who came for a year of slightly-respectable backpacking. That is all. That we (and many others) agree on this point, I'm fairly certain.
3. I'm shown a fair amount of respect, but there are some things that annoy the crap out of me (figuratively!) For instance, on Friday I had a coteacher that I usually get on with swimmingly come to my classroom as I was leaving at 4:40 to meet my friend at the gym, to tell me that she had some problems with the lesson I'd submitted to her 2 weeks prior. The lesson was really good, and she just didn't understand the procedure, so it worked out (after an hour and a half of explaining and going over and over the procedure), but I had to explain that she had had 2 weeks in which to discuss it with me, and that she was showing me a great deal of disrespect in waiting until AFTER work on Friday. I told her that I know that in Korea many things are done at the last minute, but I had shown her respect in giving her the work in advance, and I expected the same courtesy. I asked if she'd prefer if I gave her the materials the day of the class, with no time for her to review them. Busy busy busy! Anyone has time to send a text message, use that coolmessenger program that many of us use at school, or send a private email.
That and not being told that the next day is picture day, and being lucky enough to have worn a button down blouse and a bit of make-up that day. I'm sure I'm not the only one having experienced the joy of being in nice-but-not-formal clothes next to people dressed as though they are going to a wedding!
4. The 101 was based on your having said "just like qualifications up the wazoo would indicate (according to your logic) that you are emotionally unstable and possibly a tad over sensitive. I could also conclude that you are slightly paranoid and hyper sensitive because someone calling KT full time Teachers sends you in full ballistic mode to defend and justify your work...which by the way was never attacked..." Armchair psych. How is saying that it's wrong "unstable," "paranoid," and "ballistic"? As you rightly say: this is an online forum. Surely responding as I did is expected and quite normal.
5. I don't often point out mistakes. There were just many, and it struck a chord. I believe that people should pride themselves, but if you don't care, you're not alone! I apologize if I upset you <<bows>>
For the most part, I like Korea. I could probably do a year or so more, but would definitely be moving to HK or Taiwan in the not-too-distant future.
Best wishes! |
WOW!!! You can cook, you stay in shape, you hang out with celebrities, you were fielding hundreds of job offers before you even stepped on the plane, you throw in British English words just to add the extra little bit of wit and sophistication to your writing, you are SUPERTEACHER at work...... NYC girl is there anything you CAN'T DO?? P-PLEASE TELL ME!!! My heart can't take it ONE MORE MINUTE!!! |
I only hung out with a handful of celebs and CEOs outside of work, but I interacted with others daily, and made some great connections. Not hundreds of jobs, but enough to give me some nice options. I just needed a change for a bit, and already had some friends who were enjoying it here.
As for cooking, I was raised on typical American fare, so later on I embraced healthy living, and found that my mild OCD (which I'm sure you've noticed in my posts!) coupled with a love of preparing food made me a bit of a food snob. It's just easier when you live in a city with so many ethnically diverse cultures, as well as countless farmers' markets. I miss Union Square's market, and last fall I was pretty bummed, because I would have been loading up on goodies.
With keeping in shape--I try. Moving here has made it a tad difficult, with certain health foods very difficult to procure, so 5 kilo have mysteriously creeped onto my body (thankfully in flattering areas. *ahem*). I walk a lot, but not nearly as much as I did back home. I'm by no means a porker, though. Pilates and yoga are a Darwin-send.
I love teaching. I love helping shape future citizens with open minds. It's probably the mommy instinct, but I'd like to wait a few years on that! This is a nice alternative for the time being. I'd like to have my first few years of marriage to be sans kiddies.
My fiance's English. We've had some of our lexicons rub off on one another over the years. (That sounded naughty!) I also read a lot of classics in my formative years, so happened to pick up on certain phrasing that I prefered. I do spell in the American style, and do enjoy siding with Americans when arguing with my English friends, just to mess with them. Perhaps you've heard of how much New Yorkers love to argue? It's a form of amusement that others take far more seriously than we do. Oftentimes something that I post can come across sounding FAR nastier than it would to my fellow rude New Yorkers. Also, I can still slang it up American style with the best of them!
I can't do a cartwheel. I never had the need to learn to drive, being in NYC, and can't read in a moving vehicle (maps are out of the question,) therefore I am useless on road trips unless you count providing musical entertainment in the form of singing random annoying cartoon and video game theme songs from my youth |
1) Looked into the dictionary, cant find "celebs" perhaps you mean "celebrities" in which case youd want to put "celeb's" to show that you are missing some letters from the original word
2) in context "ethnically" and "cultures" together is redundant
3) Unless I am mistaken there need not be an apostrophe after Farmers ( markets) DOnt think we pluralise both of those. ( this one I Could be wrong about, as I said the English langauge is absurd)
4) How do you shape future citizens, do you use like a special mold? What shape to you make them?
5) Using to have and to be in the same sentence? Wouldnt the sentence read better as "I'd like to have my first few years of marriage sans kiddies."?
6) You capitalised "far" why are you yelling?
7) "Being in NYC" should be in brackets ( again a questionable call)
0 How do you sing a video game theme song? What with 99% of them being instrumentls and all. Do you perhaps want to use a modifier like "hum"
9) if you pride yourslef on your excellent writing then should you really be using slang at all in your writing? I mean please, we are english teachers, DO not use a word like "kiddies" we call them children
10) All new yorkers are rude? Thanks for that sweeping generalisation good to see you are being objective in your writing as well.
"It's a form of amusement that others take far more seriously than we do." - Yep because you dont take spelling and grammar more seriusly than others do, to the point of questioning our qualification if we dont adhere to your serious standards
Taking a page out of your own book miss grammar snob, I assume you will be a little more dilligent in your writing in the future. Clearly if you make more you are a bad teacher right?
I trust the point has been well made.
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morrisonhotel
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Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Seoulio wrote: |
1) Looked into the dictionary, cant find "celebs" perhaps you mean "celebrities" in which case youd want to put "celeb's" to show that you are missing some letters from the original word. |
Celebs is a more than acceptable shortening of celebrities. You may want to invest in a new dictionary.
I'll assume the word in bold is irony usage at its finest. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| morrisonhotel wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
1) Looked into the dictionary, cant find "celebs" perhaps you mean "celebrities" in which case youd want to put "celeb's" to show that you are missing some letters from the original word. |
Celebs is a more than acceptable shortening of celebrities. You may want to invest in a new dictionary.
I'll assume the word in bold is irony usage at its finest. |
Perhaps you may want to read the entire thread and the post made by her that spawned the one you are criticisng.
Might make you a little bit more learned with your critique. If you did you'd know that me and another guy were basically told we were uneducated for mistypings or bad grammar, and she dictated that we should type as she does in her mind it shows our intelligence and our professionalism as teachers. Read my posts I have more than enough pf these types of errors, and I don't have any quams about them. She has bragged that she goes over her psost with a fine toothed comb before she posts ( unless she's in a hurry, then errors in her posts are acceptable, and her intelligence not in question)
Also celeb is slang, and hardly Good grammar.
Otherwise a sentence like this is acceptable
DOH! I aint got no bling for da kiddies irregardless of da fact dat the po po was chillin' at my crib with my homies a few tick tocks ago.
All of these words are in the slang dictionary as weel, are they good grammar?
I know you meant it to be jestful, so sorry if I come across choked, I was just trying to point out that she doesnt practice what she preaches, and re inforcing my point that the English is hard to master and please everyone in its usuage, even for a grammar snob who should not be equting mistakes with lack of intelligence lest she be judged under the same myopic judgement |
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PatrickGHBusan
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Hey Homer,
If you were going to compare schools, the last time I looked McGill was higher rated than New York University.
http://www.world-university-ranking.com/
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Thanks Mr Pink...but comparing schools is not something I find very relevant. |
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