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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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I think he's trying to say that pedophilia is not as prevalent as made out to be..which I would generally agree with.
I would take a meta analysis with a grain of salt though. Out of say 40 studies, only 10 might be good...as in large..blinded and published in a credible journal. Those articles would form the consensus amongst your typical scientists in the field. The other 30 though if included in the meta analysis might give you a result that is not indictitive of the consensus.
Not a worthless tool, but definitly something to pay attention to.
Riverboy's argument seems to involve mainly a 'won't someone think of the children ?' whine. Pretty annoying. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| I think he's trying to say that pedophilia is not as prevalent as made out to be..which I would generally agree with. |
Once is enough. No normal adult needs to be getting touchy-feely on a kid. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| I think he's trying to say that pedophilia is not as prevalent as made out to be..which I would generally agree with. |
Once is enough. No normal adult needs to be getting touchy-feely on a kid. |
Well that's why there is a word for it. It's not normal. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Bacasper, all joking and NAMBLA-sponsored studies aside, do you think it would be cool to put your junk in a child?
If you think that's cool (and you come off as justifying it), you are sincerely messed up.
Leave the little ones alone. Why you would pick this battle I don't even wanna know, but please go back to worrying about your own grassy knoll and Roswell and the rest of the tin foil hat material.
You're a little creepy, and I don't think I'm alone in saying so.
Give it a good long rest. |
Caniff, I don't think this is fair. More people in our society need to take a stand against the sex-crimes hysterics that have been going on, because it leads to an environment of witch hunts and paranoia. Living in Korea has made me especially cognizant of this. The kids here like me, not in a sexual way, but in a simple, innocent childish way. They like to run up and hug me. They like to try to hold my hand. If we're watching a movie in after school class they'd much rather huddle up around me than sit in their chairs. Some of my youngest male students (particularly shortly after they begin studying with me) thing the idea of poking me on the rear end is hilarious. None of this is sick or wrong; it's just kids being kids. And in Korea, it's fine.
In America, it's not. The sex-crimes hysterics that have been going on turns everything I just described into a huge potential problem. Any of the things I listed above -- coupled with a zealous witch-hunter of a state prosecutor, of which there are many -- could be sufficient to land me in jail, after which my name would be on a public list forever, ensuring I could never fully reintegrate back into society. This has happened to people.
I don't think having sex with kids is cool. Frankly, in my mind it's somewhere between very strange and disgusting. None the less, I recognize the hysterical atmosphere that's been created in America is dangerous, counter-productive, and unfair, and I think bacasper has too. It's not fair to demonize him for doing his small part to fight back against a currently abusive system.
People who actually harm children are a danger to society and need to be removed from it. No one disagrees with that, I think. But the guy who downloads free child porn off of the internet doesn't harm anyone. The guy who receives silly pictures of his niece in a bathing suit having fun isn't hurting anyone. The 18 year old who sleeps with his consenting 17 year old girlfriend isn't hurting anyone. These people are casualties of a witch-hunt mentality, and that mentality needs to end. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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i am a victim of porn. years of viewing such has left me incapable of maintaining and/or developing a healthy, loving relationship.
please forward my portion of any future legal awards of porn victims to me. |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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i am a victim of porn. years of viewing such has left me incapable of maintaining and/or developing a healthy, loving relationship.
please forward my portion of any future legal awards of porn victims to me. |
The Ted Bundy defense.
And +1 on Fox's last post. I appreciate most people willing to take up controversial stances, even when I totally disagree with them. |
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candyteacher
Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: where ever i want
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Bacasper, all joking and NAMBLA-sponsored studies aside, do you think it would be cool to put your junk in a child?
If you think that's cool (and you come off as justifying it), you are sincerely messed up.
Leave the little ones alone. Why you would pick this battle I don't even wanna know, but please go back to worrying about your own grassy knoll and Roswell and the rest of the tin foil hat material.
You're a little creepy, and I don't think I'm alone in saying so.
Give it a good long rest. |
I completely agree with this, Bacasper you do come off as justifying it and you do come across as thinking its okay.
I certainly hope thats not your intention!
Wheather a meta analysis B*S study or not I'm never gonna thing its okay and Im never gonna believe it doesnt leave a lasting effect on anyone.
I also agree with cannif in saying your also coming across really creepy now. I have to wonder would you argue your case if it wasnt being debated on an internet forum, or would you take this stance in public also. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Wheather a meta analysis B*S study or not I'm never gonna thing its okay and Im never gonna believe it doesnt leave a lasting effect on anyone. |
So your stance is that facts and data are totally meaningless and only your gut instinct matters? Are you by chance religious? |
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candyteacher
Joined: 08 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| Wheather a meta analysis B*S study or not I'm never gonna thing its okay and Im never gonna believe it doesnt leave a lasting effect on anyone. |
So your stance is that facts and data are totally meaningless and only your gut instinct matters? Are you by chance religious? |
Not religious in the slightest, Iv never been. In this case when someone is citing a study to try to suggest that sexually abusing a child doesn't harm them, forgive me for being cinical.
Iv heard of and listened to enough victims of child abuse to warrent the right to. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| candyteacher wrote: |
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| Wheather a meta analysis B*S study or not I'm never gonna thing its okay and Im never gonna believe it doesnt leave a lasting effect on anyone. |
So your stance is that facts and data are totally meaningless and only your gut instinct matters? Are you by chance religious? |
Not religious in the slightest, Iv never been. In this case when someone is citing a study to try to suggest that sexually abusing a child doesn't harm them, forgive me for being cinical. |
Be cynical if you like, but at least consider the data. I don't think the stance he's taking is, "This study says sexual abuse isn't as damaging as we've been lead to believe, so it's a-okay," but rather, "This study says sexual abuse isn't as damaging as we've been lead to believe, so let's calm down and start being rational in our response to it instead of enacting panicky, horrible laws which cause social problems without actually solving any." |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Agree 100% with Caniff. I can't seem to understand Bacasper's obsession with unjust sex laws; to the point of him defending kiddie porn.
I also agree with Fox in the fact that there is a withch hunt mentality going on in both Canada and the US regarding child sexual abuse. When I am talkng about kiddie porn, it am left scratching the last few hairs out of my head, that people actually feel that downloading child porn --with young children having intercourse- is totally acceptable. It says a lot about society today.
I personally know several guys who were molested by KARL TOFT. Know several girls raped by uncles and step fathers; have a cousin who is a child psychologist, shse tells me the numbers are higher than you would think.
The Catholic Church is full of it. As are several other organisations. And yes, call me a whiner, but think of the children. If someone is caught with kiddie porn on their computer, or in their possesion, then I have no problems with them losing all of their personal assets and spending the rest of their lives, poor and unable to buy, download, view and pass on kiddie porn.
There is no room for diddlers in my world. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Caniff, I don't think this is fair. |
There's an obvious difference between taking a leak on the side of the highway (Hello Korea!) and subjecting a child to one's cock and balls.
I would agree that the US needs to smarten up about situations such as the former, but there should be no tolerance for the latter. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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I also agree with cannif in saying your also coming across really creepy now. |
Hey, I said a little creepy. Mostly I like Ba, I just don't know why he would take this issue under his wing with such zeal. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey, I said a little creepy. Mostly I like Ba, I just don't know why he would take this issue under his wing with such zeal. |
Me either. I remember a guy behaving in a similar fshion a while back. I think he's in Thailand now.
I don't get involved in too many internet debates. I'm a pretty reasonably level headed guy who understands the hysteria that goes on with all things. I don't often get caught up with it either. But to defend someones right to have kiddie porn and aruguing that possesion of it actually limits peadphilia is akin to saying that smoking crack cocaine is better than injecting it. Or something as foolish.
Kiddie porn is bad. The production, distribution, and possesion of it is bad. No it's sick. And I am straight up honest that if I had a friend, or and associate who advocated sex with kids.... He'd be minus a mouthful of teeth and nursing some sore ribs.
All other examples of playing with a kid, or a seventeen year old going to jail for sex with a sixteen year old simply diffuse the real issue. Whgich is there are no shortage of sick bastards out there.
And possibly on this board. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
Bacasper, all joking and NAMBLA-sponsored studies aside, do you think it would be cool to put your junk in a child?
If you think that's cool (and you come off as justifying it), you are sincerely messed up.
Leave the little ones alone. Why you would pick this battle I don't even wanna know, but please go back to worrying about your own grassy knoll and Roswell and the rest of the tin foil hat material.
You're a little creepy, and I don't think I'm alone in saying so.
Give it a good long rest. |
I have posted documentation, including the best peer-reviewed research and government studies, only to be responded to by someone's gut feelings, unsubstantiated opinion, ad hominems. This response epitomizes the witchhunt mentality which surrounds this subject, so I must thank caniff for giving me the chance to address it.
When unable to counter uncomfortable facts before one, rather than attempt to deal with or understand them, the witchhunter hurls the dreaded accusation in the attempt to bully one into silence. This is the typical witchhunt tactic. Unfortunately, this works with most people, even those who may actually try to give fair consideration to this difficult subject.
I, however, have seen many lives of both adults and youths unnecessarily ruined by both false and true allegations, as well as true victims of sex abuse, and I know the scientific literature on the subject. Your bullying tactic will not work on me.
I have not mentioned NAMBLA nor putting one's �junk� in a child, nor did I make the comment just previous to this
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| How much did pre-pubescent Gary Coleman make? |
Just who is the one with the unhealthy obsessions here? |
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