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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| There were two points to my post and you missed both of them. |
They're completely retarded so I ignored them. You have an inability to see the fundamental reality for what it is. There is no R and there is no D. There is a giant blob of bureaucratic corporate interests covering the entire country. The D vs. R is fodder for peasants. It is propaganda, really. Obama is George Bush's third term. Bush was Clinton's 3rd and 4th terms. There is no meaningful change. Constant war. More war. And then more war.
And you want to grind partisan axes and blame groups you only identify when placed in context of a political party. It is just silly. Stop it. The Republicans are not in favor of free markets or limited government. The Democrats are not progressives. |
You demonstrate a deplorable lack of insight into American politics. Even for a foreigner. |
Swing and a miss.
Yata gets it laid out for him as clear as day, and doesn't even bat an eye... Most people are just plain ignorant and never get exposed to line of reasoning mises has just provided to him (and which the rest of us have drilled into him every day on here, using cold hard facts and logic). There really is no excuse.
I'm seriously starting to think Yata is just a troll (an accusation I don't make likely). Nobody is that retarded... |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a well known fact that many employers are reluctant to hire veterans. Regardless of federal laws, employers are always going to discriminate. Discrimination is simply a hiring manager or executive personally deciding they are going to hire all all non-veteran candidates to prevent liabilies and avoid what isn't very well understood. Many C-Level people and HR chiefs simply feel uncomfortable about the idea of meeting face to face with someone who fought for the ideals that allow freedom and profiteering. They also are managing to avoid financial risk so this involves avoiding hiring anyone with percieved flaws. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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There was a good article up a few minutes ago, but I'm having computer problems and lost it. I'm sure another one will be up shortly.
The gist of it is that the GOP is using some Senate rule or other to shut off debate/discussion in committee hearings. As if you didn't know, various Senate committee hearings are held on issues, and then said committee begins work on legislation to address the issue. Yesterday and today the GOP has shut down committee meetings at 2 PM (presumably so they have more time to dally with their mistresses or under-age boyfriends in airport bathrooms...I don't know), but the committee that was discussing this particular problem was shut down at 11 am.
It is deplorable that the problem was allowed to get this large to begin with. What's a stronger word than 'deplorable' to say what the opposition party is doing to shut down work on addressing the problem? 'Childish' is no where near strong enough. |
So the Dems control Congress, yet the Reps are at fault. OK, got it, even if this "rule" doesn't exist only in Yat's imagination. The Dems are totally helpless to do anything about it, right?  |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
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| There were two points to my post and you missed both of them. |
They're completely retarded so I ignored them. You have an inability to see the fundamental reality for what it is. There is no R and there is no D. There is a giant blob of bureaucratic corporate interests covering the entire country. The D vs. R is fodder for peasants. It is propaganda, really. Obama is George Bush's third term. Bush was Clinton's 3rd and 4th terms. There is no meaningful change. Constant war. More war. And then more war.
And you want to grind partisan axes and blame groups you only identify when placed in context of a political party. It is just silly. Stop it. The Republicans are not in favor of free markets or limited government. The Democrats are not progressives. |
You demonstrate a deplorable lack of insight into American politics. Even for a foreigner. |
Swing and a miss.
Yata gets it laid out for him as clear as day, and doesn't even bat an eye... Most people are just plain ignorant and never get exposed to line of reasoning mises has just provided to him (and which the rest of us have drilled into him every day on here, using cold hard facts and logic). There really is no excuse.
I'm seriously starting to think Yata is just a troll (an accusation I don't make likely). Nobody is that retarded... |
Go easy on the guy. He's an old man and likely suffering from cerebrosclerosis. He was indoctrinated at a time when there probably was some actual difference between the Ds & Rs. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Good grief.
Party A started a war and refused to clean up the mess, so party B pretends to scale back troops in the first war all the while launching a second war.
Good grief. |
Fixed. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The VA spends 170 million a year maintaining empty buildings (was a story on CBS or ABC evening news tonight). |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Bill Clinton closed down a whole lotta bases when he was Pres. Those bases had housing and barracks. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: 100,000 homeless veterans |
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| This is a disgrace and an embarrassment. |
I don't see how it's more of a disgrace or an embarassment than 100,000 homeless of any other variety. If anything, the fact that these men and women were willing to be paid governmental killers makes me less sympathetic, not more so, and the last thing I want to see is more of our money pissed away on the military in any way, shape, or form. They can deal with their homelessness in the same way any other citizen would, any any solution to their homelessness should be one that applies generically to homeless people, not specifically to veterans.
As an aside, evidently homeless shelters are more expensive than apartments, so perhaps that should be addressed before we worry about how to expand such services? We can do better than this. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, stop fighting wars. Simple. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, stop fighting wars. Simple. |
Suppose they gave a war and nobody came? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: Re: 100,000 homeless veterans |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| This is a disgrace and an embarrassment. |
I don't see how it's more of a disgrace or an embarassment than 100,000 homeless of any other variety. If anything, the fact that these men and women were willing to be paid governmental killers makes me less sympathetic, not more so, and the last thing I want to see is more of our money pissed away on the military in any way, shape, or form. They can deal with their homelessness in the same way any other citizen would, any any solution to their homelessness should be one that applies generically to homeless people, not specifically to veterans.
As an aside, evidently homeless shelters are more expensive than apartments, so perhaps that should be addressed before we worry about how to expand such services? We can do better than this. |
Fox, some of those homeless vets have health issues stemming from their time in the Service. They were not properly cared for due to DoD denial for many years. One prime example is Gulf War Syndrome from the 1990-91 war. In addition, I don't think Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome was a diagnosis until the last 20 years or so (although I admit I can be totally wrong about this one).
Point being that a number of Vets are homeless due to the failure of the DoD and VA to properly treat them. That is one reason why it is an embarrassment.
I also think your characterization of military personnel as being "killers" is incredibly simplistic. Infantry and combat troops are a small minority in the military. In addition, many go into the Armed Forces simply because it is the one way they can improve their economic status. Better the military than becoming some degenerate low-life. Perhaps that fact is also an embarrassment for this country, but that's a whole other issue. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:31 am Post subject: Re: 100,000 homeless veterans |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Fox, some of those homeless vets have health issues stemming from their time in the Service. |
And some homeless individuals have health issues stemming from having taken on other dangerous jobs.
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| Point being that a number of Vets are homeless due to the failure of the DoD and VA to properly treat them. That is one reason why it is an embarrassment. |
From my perspective they're homeless because they chose to become professional killers and were mentally scarred by their choice. This doesn't mean I want them to be homeless, it just means I don't have concern for them above and beyond the concern I have for homeless people in general. Homeless in general is a problem, and general solutions are a good thing. Admittedly, if I had to choose between having soldiers and the VA not helping them with emotional trauma, and having soldiers and the VA helping them with emotional trauma, I'd prefer the latter, but I'd like it even more if people could see that there's a reason these people get traumatized: service in the armed forces is horrific.
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| I also think your characterization of military personnel as being "killers" is incredibly simplistic. Infantry and combat troops are a small minority in the military. |
And the general purpose of the rest is to support them in this role. I agree, not every single member of the military picks up a gun and shoots people. Every member of the military, however, is there to support the people that do, and they may well become the shooters if the higher ups decide to have them change roles.
Members of the military are willing, knowing killers. Some kill directly, some serve as support for the killers, some serve as organizers for the killers, some serve as medical personelle to keep the killers healthy, and so forth. None the less, it's an entire organization focused on killing, and every single member is a volunteer. What am I supposed to say to that when innocent civilians are regularly being killed by our armed forces, or when entire nations are being destabilized to no advantage? No big deal?
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| In addition, many go into the Armed Forces simply because it is the one way they can improve their economic status. |
I understand their desire to better their lot in life, but if they're willing to to point a gun at someone and shoot on command in order to better their lot, I'm not very supportive of their methods.
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Better the military than becoming some degenerate low-life. |
I'd really rather they became neither, and I'd prefer to see resources wasted on the military going to help them better their lot in other ways. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Does Ya-ta Boy support building restrictions in the name of open space and/or 'Smart Growth'? If so, the policies he admires are responsible for housing shortages. Homelessness, the vast majority of it, could, in theory at least, be gotten rid of by expanding the supply of housing. It really is as simple as that. Human demand going unsatisfied, because of misguided government intervention into the economy, causes a lot of problems, including homeless veterans.
Oh, and guess what?
And whose bright idea was it to intervene in Vietnam? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:23 am Post subject: |
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And whose bright idea was it to intervene in Vietnam? |
It was supported by both sides of the aisle. If JFK and LBJ wouldn't have intervened in Vietnam, they would have been called commie sympathizers and could have been voted out of office.
I'm not justifying their decision, but come on, let's keep things in perspective here. |
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