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cj1976
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| Corruption exists everywhere, but in Korea they don't even seem to feel a need to hide it. People here are so tolerant of it, presumably something to do with the Confucianist mindset. |
I think it has more to do with Korea being an homogeneous society. |
Maybe the reason they are a homogenous society is because they are Confucianist. Korean people tend to accept the will of authority fairly easily. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Corruption exists everywhere, but in Korea they don't even seem to feel a need to hide it. People here are so tolerant of it, presumably something to do with the Confucianist mindset. |
I think it has more to do with Korea being an homogeneous society. |
Maybe the reason they are a homogenous society is because they are Confucianist. Korean people tend to accept the will of authority fairly easily. |
I think the main reason Korea is homogeneous is because Korea is basically in the corner of a continent and not bordered by 5 countries. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Cheating tax-dodger Samsung CEO pardoned by Korean Govt. |
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Must be taking a leaf out of the Clinton/Marc Rich playbook. |
Clinton never made it part of his platform, or posted a multitude of press releases announcing his intention to stamp out rampant corruption. |
I said "a leaf" not the whole book.
And if Clinton had...the whole country would have probably laughed.
Google Bill Clinton and corruption and see the dozens of articles that discuss it and the allegations of corruptions that have dogged his whole career. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:00 am Post subject: Re: Cheating tax-dodger Samsung CEO pardoned by Korean Govt. |
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Must be taking a leaf out of the Clinton/Marc Rich playbook. |
Clinton never made it part of his platform, or posted a multitude of press releases announcing his intention to stamp out rampant corruption. |
I said "a leaf" not the whole book.
And if Clinton had...the whole country would have probably laughed.
Google Bill Clinton and corruption and see the dozens of articles that discuss it and the allegations of corruptions that have dogged his whole career. |
You don't get it. The issue is not who was more corrupt. I know you absolutely cannot resist the urge to draw parallels to the west, but at least pay attention and try to find correct analogies.
The issue is that LMB has made repeated announcements that he will not tolerate corruption. Period. He's said it more than once, and he modelled part of his political platform out of it. |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Looking at it from space. From like, 10,000 miles up in the sky..
It's kind of awesome.
This criminal dude, who apparantely is a good CEO (look at the Samsung-Sony comparison on his watch) gets magicked back into power.
It's just awesome.
I mean, corruption is horrible and blah blah blah, but when it is to the benefit of the people and a massive company, is it really that bad? It kind of reminds me of the ancient Greeks who would not just willingly, but happily, elect a 'tyrant' to rule them for a while. Whilst I'm sure Mr.Samsung's election was more of a private one, I bet it's wise in terms of both the Korean economy and that of Samsung.
Also, it's hilarious when non-democratic and non-rule-of-law or other western concepts DON'T win out. This is out and out cronyism/corporatism/...
If in a couple of years Samsung go bust and everyone laughs at them for bringing this guy out of prison so he could come back to work, then I will admit my errors. If they continue to be the largest electronics maker in the world and the other 40% of their business continues to roll along I will be happy.
Good luck Samsung with your new boss. Same as the old boss. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Hyeon Een, you're probably right. It seems that corruption and shady deals grease the wheels of Korean society. From teachers to policemen to politicians and CEOs; everyone seems to be on the take.
I'm not shocked or surprised by the revelation of corrupt practices, but the blatant lack of regret or shame amazes me. |
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Tundra_Creature
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| but but but APOLLO OHNO |
He was actually disqualified in one of the events this year, so my assumptions is that that makes it equal. 
I feel kinda bad for him though. I'm not a speed skating pro, so I have no idea how any of those D/qs work unless it's ridiculously obvious. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| Why is anyone surprised? This isn't unique to Korea. This is pretty common all over the world. |
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Fat_Elvis
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: In the ghetto
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
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| Corruption exists everywhere, but in Korea they don't even seem to feel a need to hide it. People here are so tolerant of it, presumably something to do with the Confucianist mindset. |
I think it has more to do with Korea being an homogeneous society. |
Maybe the reason they are a homogenous society is because they are Confucianist. Korean people tend to accept the will of authority fairly easily. |
This sounds like a bunch of cliches talking to each other. Chairman Lee's pardon has nothing to do with Confucianism, which has a strong emphasis on morality. And I have no idea how it relates to Korea's self-perceived homogeneity either.
It's a result of Korea's crony capitalism. Since chaebols like Samsung started they have always enjoyed a close relationship with government, which benefits both sides. It's not the first time something like this happened, see here
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/programguide/stories/200808/s2334541.htm
jvalmer is sadly correct, this does happen all over the world. One law for the rich, and one for everyone else |
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cj1976
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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The comparisons to the West are true, but in this discussion, irrelevant. We all know that cronyism and corruption are common worldwide. What I find most interesting is the reaction to it. Instead of at least pretending that it's wrong, the Korean Govt do the exact opposite and openly announce to the world just how acceptable it is in Korea.
This does not paint Korea in a positive light. |
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