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whome33



Joined: 08 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:24 am    Post subject: resigning from a public school job Reply with quote

a friend of mine wants to quit his job, get a letter of release and transfer his visa to a new job in seoul.
he's worked at the school for over a year, and the small town he's in isn't doing it for him anymore. on top of that, he gets the feeling that the new vice-principal doesnt like him, and apparently that towns school board has put out a notice to not hire any more black teachers (although thats a rumour i suppose). btw, he's black (being black in the countryside is alot different than in seoul-but lets not digress)
but the iceing on the cake is them paying him late for the 3rd month in a row. last month they were a week late. (this could coincide with the VP not liking him-not sure). so they have violated the contract, he hasnt.
what are his rights? whats the best way to word a letter of resignation, and get a letter of release? he's willing to give a month or 2 notice.
cheers
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thoreau



Joined: 21 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's at a public school at being paid late?

If so he should call the local POE asap.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: resigning from a public school job Reply with quote

whome33 wrote:
a friend of mine wants to quit his job, get a letter of release and transfer his visa to a new job in seoul.
he's worked at the school for over a year, and the small town he's in isn't doing it for him anymore. on top of that, he gets the feeling that the new vice-principal doesnt like him, and apparently that towns school board has put out a notice to not hire any more black teachers (although thats a rumour i suppose). btw, he's black (being black in the countryside is alot different than in seoul-but lets not digress)
but the iceing on the cake is them paying him late for the 3rd month in a row. last month they were a week late. (this could coincide with the VP not liking him-not sure). so they have violated the contract, he hasnt.
what are his rights? whats the best way to word a letter of resignation, and get a letter of release? he's willing to give a month or 2 notice.
cheers


Give his proper notice, get his deposit back, pay back some of the airfare money that he got when he renewed if he is under 6 months into the new contract.

Getting the LOR will depend on the POE. Some of them categorically refuse to give one (like SMOE) so he would have to begin the visa process all over again (with CBC, new transcripts, etc).

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whome33



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

POE stands for public office of education? excuse my ignorance, iv never worked for a public school. he's been at the school for over a year, i think he's 2 months into his 2nd contract. but theres a new VP this year.
yes, public school is paying him late.
is 2 months proper notice?
Is there any way to findout if there's a prereqquisite of his POE giving LOR's? He's in yeosu
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whome33 wrote:
POE stands for public office of education? excuse my ignorance, iv never worked for a public school. he's been at the school for over a year, i think he's 2 months into his 2nd contract. but theres a new VP this year.
yes, public school is paying him late.
is 2 months proper notice?
Is there any way to findout if there's a prereqquisite of his POE giving LOR's? He's in yeosu


POE = provincial office of education.

notice and LOR are contractual issues and they will be covered in the contract.

IF the contract does not mention the LOR then he should get one when he leaves (may have to insist on it and write it). There are copies around here (bilingual) that you can find and copy.
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Snowkr



Joined: 03 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting the LOR from a public school can be tricky if the principal or VP doesn't like you. I had to somewhat manipulate mine into giving it to me.

Your friend should submit a formal letter of resignation immediately (either 30 days or 60 days, depending on his contract). Then I would suggest typing up his own LOR, signing it, and leaving a space at the bottom for signature of supervisor/VP.

At first, my principal did not want to sign mine either. They were very upset with me when I submitted my resignation and tried to threaten and bribe me into staying. But I wrote the LOR in such a way as to make it look like I was
"the bad guy" for breaking my contract early and that I was prepared to take full responsibility for my actions. I did not label it as a "letter of release".

I've copied and pasted the actual letter below. I had it translated into Korean as well, as my principal probably understood 5 words in English:

January, 4, 2008

It is the decision of the administration and principal of *** High School that the GEPIK employed Native English teacher, Miss ***, will be released from her contract with this school at the end of this month. Upon receiving signatures from both parties involved, her employment in *** High School will be officially terminated on January 31, 2008.

Whereas it was the employee�s decision to unexpectedly break the contract six months prior to the completion date by announcing that she would leave her position in March, the employer feels that it is not in the school�s best interest to employ her until her original resignation date of March 2, 2008 due to financial costs accrued by employing a foreign teacher.

Therefore this document will serve as a mutual agreement between the employer and employee to terminate the contract on January 31, 2008 thus requiring the employee to return the airfare reimbursement given to her upon arrival in Korea and to relinquish her E-2 visa, as she has fallen short of her contractual obligations.


Signature of employee:


Signature of employer:
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bish



Joined: 09 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: resigning from a public school job Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
whome33 wrote:
a friend of mine wants to quit his job, get a letter of release and transfer his visa to a new job in seoul.
he's worked at the school for over a year, and the small town he's in isn't doing it for him anymore. on top of that, he gets the feeling that the new vice-principal doesnt like him, and apparently that towns school board has put out a notice to not hire any more black teachers (although thats a rumour i suppose). btw, he's black (being black in the countryside is alot different than in seoul-but lets not digress)
but the iceing on the cake is them paying him late for the 3rd month in a row. last month they were a week late. (this could coincide with the VP not liking him-not sure). so they have violated the contract, he hasnt.
what are his rights? whats the best way to word a letter of resignation, and get a letter of release? he's willing to give a month or 2 notice.
cheers


Give his proper notice, get his deposit back, pay back some of the airfare money that he got when he renewed if he is under 6 months into the new contract.

Getting the LOR will depend on the POE. Some of them categorically refuse to give one (like SMOE) so he would have to begin the visa process all over again (with CBC, new transcripts, etc).

.



Don't think he will have to pay the airfare back as it would have been paid for him to go home had he not renewed anyway.

Out of interest, what will this guy have to do if he cannot get a letter of release? Would that just be a visa run situation?
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ttompatz



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Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: resigning from a public school job Reply with quote

bish wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
whome33 wrote:
a friend of mine wants to quit his job, get a letter of release and transfer his visa to a new job in seoul.
he's worked at the school for over a year, and the small town he's in isn't doing it for him anymore. on top of that, he gets the feeling that the new vice-principal doesnt like him, and apparently that towns school board has put out a notice to not hire any more black teachers (although thats a rumour i suppose). btw, he's black (being black in the countryside is alot different than in seoul-but lets not digress)
but the iceing on the cake is them paying him late for the 3rd month in a row. last month they were a week late. (this could coincide with the VP not liking him-not sure). so they have violated the contract, he hasnt.
what are his rights? whats the best way to word a letter of resignation, and get a letter of release? he's willing to give a month or 2 notice.
cheers


Give his proper notice, get his deposit back, pay back some of the airfare money that he got when he renewed if he is under 6 months into the new contract.

Getting the LOR will depend on the POE. Some of them categorically refuse to give one (like SMOE) so he would have to begin the visa process all over again (with CBC, new transcripts, etc).

.



Don't think he will have to pay the airfare back as it would have been paid for him to go home had he not renewed anyway.

Out of interest, what will this guy have to do if he cannot get a letter of release? Would that just be a visa run situation?


hmmm.... if he renewed he would have received a 2 way ticket (home and back) or the cash in lieu. 1/2 of that will need to be returned.

In regard to the OPs question, it means:
he quits
he goes to his immigration office and informs them that he quit
he gets an exit order (to ensure that his visa is indeed canceled)
he has 30 days to find a new job and do a visa run
he CAN'T work during those 30 days (legally)
he WILL require a full set of new documents for a new visa.

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salgichawa



Joined: 18 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: resigning from a public school job Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
bish wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
whome33 wrote:
a friend of mine wants to quit his job, get a letter of release and transfer his visa to a new job in seoul.
he's worked at the school for over a year, and the small town he's in isn't doing it for him anymore. on top of that, he gets the feeling that the new vice-principal doesnt like him, and apparently that towns school board has put out a notice to not hire any more black teachers (although thats a rumour i suppose). btw, he's black (being black in the countryside is alot different than in seoul-but lets not digress)
but the iceing on the cake is them paying him late for the 3rd month in a row. last month they were a week late. (this could coincide with the VP not liking him-not sure). so they have violated the contract, he hasnt.
what are his rights? whats the best way to word a letter of resignation, and get a letter of release? he's willing to give a month or 2 notice.
cheers


Give his proper notice, get his deposit back, pay back some of the airfare money that he got when he renewed if he is under 6 months into the new contract.

Getting the LOR will depend on the POE. Some of them categorically refuse to give one (like SMOE) so he would have to begin the visa process all over again (with CBC, new transcripts, etc).

.



Don't think he will have to pay the airfare back as it would have been paid for him to go home had he not renewed anyway.

Out of interest, what will this guy have to do if he cannot get a letter of release? Would that just be a visa run situation?


hmmm.... if he renewed he would have received a 2 way ticket (home and back) or the cash in lieu. 1/2 of that will need to be returned.

In regard to the OPs question, it means:
he quits
he goes to his immigration office and informs them that he quit
he gets an exit order (to ensure that his visa is indeed canceled)
he has 30 days to find a new job and do a visa run
he CAN'T work during those 30 days (legally)
he WILL require a full set of new documents for a new visa.

.



Hi,

Check the contract. In some contracts the PS promises to make it difficult to sign on for future employment in Korea if there is a 'runner'.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: resigning from a public school job Reply with quote

salgichawa wrote:
Hi,

Check the contract. In some contracts the PS promises to make it difficult to sign on for future employment in Korea if there is a 'runner'.


A runner is very different from resigning from a position with notice.

Runner means pack your bags and leave without notice (usually the day after payday).

In most hakwons this is the only realistic option of leaving unless you want to work for your last 40 days for free.

In a PS it is a little different.

The school might be a pain in the azz but you will get your pay and you will get your deposits back IF you give proper notice according to your contract.

Any school may may threaten to make it impossible to return to Korea to work but the truth is, NOT TRUE. They can however make it difficult or impossible for you to work in a public school in Korea again.

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