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Patrick Murtha



Joined: 23 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:49 pm    Post subject: Forty-Plus Out There? Reply with quote

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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Forty-Plus Out There? Reply with quote

Patrick Murtha wrote:
I'd be very interested in hearing from my fellow forty-plussers here at Dave's. I'm coming out to Korea for the first time at the end of May to teach adult learners. Since I have a master's degree in education and 15 years teaching experience at high school, college, and adult levels, my eventual goal, which seems reasonable enough to me, is to teach at a Korean university (as long as I wind up liking Korea). I gather that those jobs are easier to find once you're "on the ground" in the country. I'm single and 51. I enjoy living by myself with my books and my cat (who is coming with me), but I'm by no means anti-social.

I've posted a few specific queries in the forum, and in addition to some very helpful replies, have gotten some very snarky replies that I'm guessing came from twenty-somethings. I don't want to be age-negative -- after all, I like teaching young people very much -- but to the extent that English-language expatriate culture in Korea is dominated by the very young, I could feel a little alienated from it. Fortunately, all the English-speaking teachers at my new school are in their thirties and up.

The experiences of those who arrived in Korea at a more mature age are of great interest to me. I'd especially like to know more about what it's like when many of the people who share your language culture are decades younger.


Hmmm... lets see.

A basic introduction I guess since you started that way.

51 years old, 2 associates diplomas, 3 bachelors degrees, a masters and ABD.

I have spent more than a decade in Korea - taught at hakwons, university, a public school and have, on occasion, added by 2 cents worth in the education office over the years.

I also spent several years as an advocate for teachers in a foreigners assistance program in Korea (usually helping people who got burned by their employers).

I'm technically minded, computer literate, don't have pets, like to read, well traveled and not particularly anti-social.

Lived as an expat for a large part of my adult life in countries as diverse as the USA, Korea, Thailand, China, the Philippines, Germany, and Cyprus.

I have been on here since 2001 (it was a different board back then) and used this moniker since 2005.

Catch you at the 3 alleys some night.


Oh, and I am curious? (don't need to answer if you don't want to).

Why are you coming to Korea?

With your qualifications, unless you are Jewish, you should be headed for the big bucks in the middle east instead of working ugly split shifts, getting entry level wages, teaching young adults out in Changwon.

ESL in Korea is not a stepping stone at this point in your career. It is 3 steps backwards and 2 sideways

AND

it can never be long term unless you plan to marry and start a new family again.

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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Forty-Plus Out There? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:


Catch you at the 3 alleys some night.



Did I miss your return to Korea?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Forty-Plus Out There? Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
ttompatz wrote:


Catch you at the 3 alleys some night.



Did I miss your return to Korea?


I'm in and out (consulting now).

1/4 time here, 1/2 time on the beach at home, 1/8 in Thailand and 1/8 in China.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of us are I think somewhere on the spectrum of liking Korea to despising it, and most long-timers have tried to make the best of things. It is possible to secure a fairly comfortable university post here and ride it out to retirement. I know people in their sixties who have done this. They spend two months in winter in the Philippines and two in the summer in Canada. They are not rich but have enough to live on.

I just eased past forty and teach in a university in Daegu. I'm completing my doctorate. Uni people tend to be older and I work with people from 30 to 60. I don't know about other places, but we get along pretty collegially and no one feels like an outcast. If you are sociable and like a drink you will be fine.

I don't think it's a bad idea to have a hogwan or public job for a year. Come here, get used to things, make some contacts, and then jump to a uni job. A good hogwan job is better than a bad uni job; there are some very sketchy ones here. Get a feel for these things first.

Have a look at my ESL site I list to the left if you like. You will find that Korea has become pretty cat-friendly as well. But do try to grow a bit of a thick skin in reading this board. People come here to blow off steam and I think most would not be so mean in person.
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Trevor



Joined: 16 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big bucks?

Not enough to live in a compound with no alcohol and a thousand other ridiculous social barriers.


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With your qualifications, unless you are Jewish, you should be headed for the big bucks in the middle east instead of working ugly split shifts, getting entry level wages, teaching young adults out in Changwon.
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carleverson



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Forty-Plus Out There?


Don't you mean Fifty-plus? Laughing
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BaldTeacher



Joined: 02 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 25 but I have friends that are in their 50s.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everybody reading this please see the 35 plus club in the off topic forum.

The gathering is going to happen soon. Possibly this weekend.


OP you and your cat are welcome!!
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teretere



Joined: 26 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How have you guys found designing a lifestyle around 2 different countries?

I'll be doing a rough half half split between South Korea and Northern Europe -- largely because I like both enough not to want to give either of them up from my life.
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jhuntingtonus



Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Location: Jeonju

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome! I turn 53 tomorrow, have a Ph.D. in fact, and just signed my second one-year contract in Jeonju.

I find the social side is the weakest aspect of living here. Much depends, though, on how much you like to drink. If you don't drink at all (I don't), it's quite weak here in the provinces. Yet all the other aspects can be good - great people at the schools, very appreciative children, very low cost of living (especially without said alcohol). I would hope in Seoul there is more of a community of 40+ people (I agree with you and not the poster who asked if you meant 50+, as 40 or maybe even 35 is a better dividing line), and if not, your message could be a starting point for establishment of one.

Have a good time! And I love cats too, but just travel too much to have one here.
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RobertGR



Joined: 03 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: 57 Reply with quote

Work at a uni. Came here quite recently. It's been interesting and challenging so far.

Generally hang out with the other expats at the uni. Go out for drinks.

One person we sometimes hang out with is a non-drinker. It doesn't seem to be a problem.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am curious like ttompatz.. but for a different reason - why aren't you teaching at a university already?!

You should have just applied to one and you would get snapped up!
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jhuntingtonus



Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Location: Jeonju

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify - I didn't mean nondrinkers can't go out "for a (virtual) drink," or go to a bar, and still have a good time. I meant that the majority of social events here are really just manufactured occasions to get drunk, with little appeal for others. That's the difference, and one, I think, pertinent to those over 40 who have no interest in such.
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