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machinoman
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
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as an american, i think that its not that americans don't know how to eat healthy, its that we simply don't care; eating is more like a drug here.
i used to go to mcdonalds three times a week, not because i was hungry, but because eating at mcdonalds made me happy. there is nothing quite like the buzz of eating a double quarter pounder with cheese, chased by a large (read: huge) fries and an ice cold coke. unfortunately the feeling a few minutes after was worth giving up the habit all together. i'm about one year mcdonalds-sober now.
another big factor is conformity. if your parents are really fat, your friends are fat, your wife is fat, you tend to think "f*** it, lets eat." i'm a bit of a conformist myself, when i studied abroad in tokyo, where everyone smokes, i smoked. when i came back to california, where no one smokes, i quit.
the problem is all in the head, food is a drug. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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as an american, i think that its not that americans don't know how to eat healthy, its that we simply don't care; eating is more like a drug here.
i used to go to mcdonalds three times a week, not because i was hungry, but because eating at mcdonalds made me happy. there is nothing quite like the buzz of eating a double quarter pounder with cheese, chased by a large (read: huge) fries and an ice cold coke. unfortunately the feeling a few minutes after was worth giving up the habit all together. i'm about one year mcdonalds-sober now.
another big factor is conformity. if your parents are really fat, your friends are fat, your wife is fat, you tend to think "f*** it, lets eat." i'm a bit of a conformist myself, when i studied abroad in tokyo, where everyone smokes, i smoked. when i came back to california, where no one smokes, i quit.
the problem is all in the head, food is a drug. |
This just in:
Food Addiction Likened to Dependency on Hard Drugs
http://www.aolnews.com/health/article/food-addiction-likened-to-dependency-on-hard-drugs/19418046
"People know intuitively that there's more to [overeating] than just willpower," lead researcher Paul Kenny told CNN. "There's a system in the brain that's been turned on or over-activated, and that's driving [overeating] at some subconscious level." |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I probably eat three or four burgers a week. A burger isn't that unhealthy, in and of itself. The fries and coke are the kicker. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Why are Americans fat?
A. They drink lots of beer with their BBQ every weekend.
B. Their BBQ meats contain growth hormones due to agricultural methods corporate farms employ.
C. They don't get enough exercise.
All of the above.
Budlight beer is sold in much larger quantities in America than you see in Korea. Instead of single bottles in a convenience store, you see cases and cases to grab as many as you can afford. It's well known that if you eat the fatty flesh of an animal raised in a stall on growth hormones to gain weight in shortest time possible, then you too will probably get big as a result. And if you don't get exercise, then you end up just like those corporate farmed out pigs and cows you are eating. Yuck. barf. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Why are Americans fat?
A. They drink lots of beer with their BBQ every weekend.
B. Their BBQ meats contain growth hormones due to agricultural methods corporate farms employ.
C. They don't get enough exercise.
All of the above.
Budlight beer is sold in much larger quantities in America than you see in Korea. Instead of single bottles in a convenience store, you see cases and cases to grab as many as you can afford. It's well known that if you eat the fatty flesh of an animal raised in a stall on growth hormones to gain weight in shortest time possible, then you too will probably get big as a result. And if you don't get exercise, then you end up just like those corporate farmed out pigs and cows you are eating. Yuck. barf. |
BBQed meat and beer have very little to do with it. A high proportion of the fat people on Earth are poor. Can poor people afford to drink beer and BBQ every weekend? Unlikely. Meat is relatively expensive.
Would you like to link to your claim that hormone fed meat is more fattening than normal meat? It sounds like an unverifiable claim to me.
Now here are some verifiable claims. Meat and saturated fat have no link to heart disease and obesity. The true cause of these particular maladies is carbs, specifically wheat, corn, sugar and other starchy foods (beer probably doesn't help). Vegetable oils are another huge component. These are relatively new foods. As obesity is a relatively new disease. Why would you blame a new disease on foods we have eaten for millions of years? |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Corn is fine if you eat it in it's natural state (on the cob, milled into meal and shaped into tortillas, or as polenta/grits/mealie pap/whatever your nation calls it). It's the modified crap that gives corn a bad name. I eat loads of corn, but it tastes like corn, and has nothing added to it.
Not all Americans eat crap. Many are foodies, and quite healthy.
Why do all English people have bad teeth?
I KNOW this isn't true, but many say it.
Why do all New Zealanders have sex with sheep?
Again, not true, but another common stereotype.
All Australians are criminals?
Nope.
Stop with the stereotypes. Sure, corporations contaminate the food and cause many to become fat, but people have choices. Go local. Go organic. Support small, local farms and you'll get some tasty tomatoes! |
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kinerry
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
Why are Americans fat?
A. They drink lots of beer with their BBQ every weekend.
B. Their BBQ meats contain growth hormones due to agricultural methods corporate farms employ.
C. They don't get enough exercise.
All of the above.
Budlight beer is sold in much larger quantities in America than you see in Korea. Instead of single bottles in a convenience store, you see cases and cases to grab as many as you can afford. It's well known that if you eat the fatty flesh of an animal raised in a stall on growth hormones to gain weight in shortest time possible, then you too will probably get big as a result. And if you don't get exercise, then you end up just like those corporate farmed out pigs and cows you are eating. Yuck. barf. |
BBQed meat and beer have very little to do with it. A high proportion of the fat people on Earth are poor. Can poor people afford to drink beer and BBQ every weekend? Unlikely. Meat is relatively expensive.
Would you like to link to your claim that hormone fed meat is more fattening than normal meat? It sounds like an unverifiable claim to me.
Now here are some verifiable claims. Meat and saturated fat have no link to heart disease and obesity. The true cause of these particular maladies is carbs, specifically wheat, corn, sugar and other starchy foods (beer probably doesn't help). Vegetable oils are another huge component. These are relatively new foods. As obesity is a relatively new disease. Why would you blame a new disease on foods we have eaten for millions of years? |
Everytime I hear someone mention growth hormones, I just want to knock their teeth out.
You honestly think something that's digested is going to affect you at all?
That's like saying h2o is dangerous because it shares an oxygen molecule with co2 or that when you eat a cow you are actually eating grass. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Now here are some verifiable claims. Meat and saturated fat have no link to heart disease and obesity. The true cause of these particular maladies is carbs, specifically wheat, corn, sugar and other starchy foods (beer probably doesn't help). Vegetable oils are another huge component. These are relatively new foods. As obesity is a relatively new disease. Why would you blame a new disease on foods we have eaten for millions of years? |
Component of what? Heart disease and obesity? If you mean corn oil, then yes. But oils in general (such as olive and sesame) can actually lower the risk of heart disesas. |
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Gibberish
Joined: 29 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: |
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1. Alcohol.
2. High carbohydrate intake, mostly through soda.
3. Lack of exercise.
There you go, case closed. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Obeisty in the U.S. has mostly to do with serving sizes. Fast food has been with us since the 50's, but it's only in the past 25 years that you've been seeing Americans getting very fat. This coincides with serving sizes getting bigger.
Supersize me! |
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Gibberish
Joined: 29 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| And on a related note I just remembered: My friends and I back in the states believed that the "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave" should be changed to "America: Meh, I could eat" |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| Gibberish wrote: |
| And on a related note I just remembered: My friends and I back in the states believed that the "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave" should be changed to "America: Meh, I could eat" |
How about "Ask not what the corporations can do for you, but what you can do for the corporations."?
Like Bush said after 9/11 "People, go shopping!" |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Now here are some verifiable claims. Meat and saturated fat have no link to heart disease and obesity. The true cause of these particular maladies is carbs, specifically wheat, corn, sugar and other starchy foods (beer probably doesn't help). Vegetable oils are another huge component. These are relatively new foods. As obesity is a relatively new disease. Why would you blame a new disease on foods we have eaten for millions of years? |
Component of what? Heart disease and obesity? If you mean corn oil, then yes. But oils in general (such as olive and sesame) can actually lower the risk of heart disesas. |
I don't think sesame and olives are vegetables. Though, I'm led to believe that, when used for cooking, olive oil loses any of its beneficial properties. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Portion Size Portion Size Portion Size. If Americans still drank pop in the 8 oz slim can that we get here there wouldn't be near the problem.
That and the compulsive need people have to eat everything on the plate, even if they're full. One thing that bothers me about eating with specifically Americans is that whenever we get food someone HAS to finish the last bits and there is always someone trying to force those last bits on people.
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| as an american, i think that its not that americans don't know how to eat healthy, its that we simply don't care; eating is more like a drug here. |
This too. "But burned meat tastes so good" "But the skin tastes so good" "But Ranch tastes so good"
Fine, it tastes good. Don't complain when you are 20 pounds overweight and are unable to move at 70. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding the last comment "people have to eat everything on their plate", I'm not sure where that came from, but I once had lunch with a Korean man in his 50's that told me his family got into the habit of eating every last grain of rice in their bowls. That philosophy came from the war and maybe pre-war years when food was scarce, It held on to the present as a show of respect for food.
I have to agree with this philosophy. There's something perverse about throwing out food when there are starving people in the world.
The solution is simple: take a little less than you think you're going to need. If you're still hungry, fill up with some fruit or something else. Of course, it's recommended that you eat slowly to give the brain time to signal "I'm full." |
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