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HALLELUJAH! MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION ON CA BALLOT IN NOVEMBER!
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darkjedidave



Joined: 19 Aug 2009
Location: Shanghai/Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:

Why must we legalise something that clearly impairs people's judgement and ability to think/function properly, and causes its victims physical harm?



Its that's your thinking, should we ban alcohol, cigarettes, fast food and contact sports too? Please
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
nautilus wrote:
Why must we legalise something that clearly impairs people's judgement and ability to think/function properly, and causes its victims physical harm?


Are you talking about alcohol, tobacco, or cannabis here?
Confused


Hell, even rough sex could fit the description in question in some cases.
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Street Magic



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a great cartoon on the concept of prohibition (by David Firth, the Salad Fingers guy).
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

California is like the goofball child. Always does something quirky before getting shut down and told to go sit in the cornor.

You get a state like Virginia to legalize Marijuana and there is a legitimate movement towards legalization. You get California to do it, and everyone jsut thinks, "Those crazy Californians are at it again."

Point is, don't get excited. This won't stand. Even the Democrats wouldn't support legalization. ESPECIALLY not in election year.
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machinoman



Joined: 12 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
California is like the goofball child. Always does something quirky before getting shut down and told to go sit in the cornor.

California is like the goofball child that makes more money than all the other children, and generally leads the way in human rights. The policies we have now are the same policies Virginia will have in 2050.
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The Happy Warrior



Joined: 10 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

machinoman wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:
California is like the goofball child. Always does something quirky before getting shut down and told to go sit in the cornor.

California is like the goofball child that makes more money than all the other children, and generally leads the way in human rights. The policies we have now are the same policies Virginia will have in 2050.


Leads, my ass. Which states allow gay marriage? California sure isn't among them.

Here's more on the failed state of California.

The Guardian: Will California become America's first failed state?
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machinoman



Joined: 12 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Happy Warrior wrote:
Leads, my ass. Which states allow gay marriage? California sure isn't among them.

But we did, and we will again soon. Count on it.

The Happy Warrior wrote:
Here's more on the failed state of California.

The Guardian: Will California become America's first failed state?

You neglect to mention that California is the 6th biggest economy in the world. When taken out of context, yeah, California is in a bad spot, but pretty much the entire world is in a bad spot.

Gross U.S. State Product
1st California - 1,846,757 million
2nd Texas - 1,223,511 million

Its true, we have a lot of people, but we do pretty well considering the sheer size and population of our state. Not a goofball state is my point. More people, more money, more influence. Virginia was a significant player in the 1700s, but not so much these days.
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The Happy Warrior



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

machinoman wrote:
The Happy Warrior wrote:

The Guardian: Will California become America's first failed state?

You neglect to mention that California is the 6th biggest economy in the world. When taken out of context, yeah, California is in a bad spot, but pretty much the entire world is in a bad spot.


I neglected to mention California is the 8th biggest economy in the world. And so you're not satisfied with my portrayal of California? How's this for context:

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California's education system has become so poor so quickly that it is now effectively failing its future workforce. The percentage of 19-year-olds at college in the state dropped from 43% to 30% between 1996 and 2004, one of the highest falls ever recorded for any developed world economy. California's schools are ranked 47th out of 50 in the nation. Its government-issued bonds have been ranked just above "junk".
Between 2004 and 2008, half a million residents upped sticks and headed elsewhere. Two Democrat politicians have asked for their districts to be declared disaster zones, because of the poor economic conditions caused by foreclosures.


But as my roommate said, California is the leader in green tech.

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The number of solar panels in the state has risen from 500 a decade ago to more than 50,000 now. California generates twice as much energy from solar power as all the other US states combined.


So maybe with a million solar panels and a Constitutional Convention, California can turn it around. But I'd sure rather live in Virginia, even if California managed to legalize pot and keep the Feds off their back.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really hope they vote YES!!!! if they do, wont be long before all the other states follow, then canada! and then the rest of the world!!!!!!

YYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH baby!!!!!
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Happy Warrior wrote:
machinoman wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:
California is like the goofball child. Always does something quirky before getting shut down and told to go sit in the cornor.

California is like the goofball child that makes more money than all the other children, and generally leads the way in human rights. The policies we have now are the same policies Virginia will have in 2050.


Leads, my ass. Which states allow gay marriage? California sure isn't among them.

Here's more on the failed state of California.

The Guardian: Will California become America's first failed state?


Prop 13 was the beginning of the "tax revolution". California was also the first state to eliminate Affirmative Action, and allow marijuana for medicinal purposes. Now multiple states are that way.

Yes, CA is a mess budget wise, but it also has historically been a trend setter when it comes to public policy, for better and worse. The gay marriage ban has been the exception, and not the rule.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

machinoman wrote:
California is like the goofball child that makes more money than all the other children


But then blows the whole wad playing marbles and actually ends up in the hole.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_H2DePAZe2gA/S7Gia-ruFVI/AAAAAAAAMSA/nJPvftujKDg/s1600/chart_states_fiscal.gif

Almost 50%!

Such a nice state. Too bad.

Pot legalization will add more funds, which will promptly be blown. Gotta take on the unions.

Though California isn't the worst:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/03/california-usa-vs-ontario-canada-which_29.html
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caniff



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ How did Nevada end up with an increase in revenue?
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
^ How did Nevada end up with an increase in revenue?


Dunno. Gambling?
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
caniff wrote:
^ How did Nevada end up with an increase in revenue?


Dunno. Gambling?


Could be - desperate times call for desperate measures.
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