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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:16 am    Post subject: Character flaws Reply with quote

We aren't perfect, are we? Somehow, this point is lost on many Korean children. In fact, a large majority of them. I guess they're all perfect.

Every westerner I know is called names incessantly by Korean kids. Either he/she's too tall, too short, too fat, too thin, have acne, balding, big nose, big eyes, something is too big, something is too small, etc.

I have been reminded about my bald head almost on a daily basis. I have tried laughing along with them, scolding them, punishing them, etc. It happens almost on a daily basis. I am too thick-skinned to be bothered by it anymore, but more than anything, I am tired of hearing about it. It's as if I don't already know. It's like 'Yeah thanks Min Su. I didn't know I was losing my hair. Thanks for the news flash, you little *beep*.'

What physical flaw do your students remind you of on a daily basis?
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They just say 담배 냄새 나~ 선생님 소주 많이 먹어?

Actually, I don't even teach kids. But I think everyone is an equal target. Kids talk trash. I remember kids saying all kinds of stuff to and about the teacher(s) when I was young.
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fortysixyou



Joined: 08 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: Character flaws Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:


What physical flaw do your students remind you of on a daily basis?



Same as you.

I don't know why foreign teachers are a target for so much criticism even in children. I guess being different = more stares = more judgement?

And you're right that it's not really hurtful, it's just tiresome.
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Captain Marlow



Joined: 23 Apr 2008
Location: darkness

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've reverted to kicking them out of class if they say something completely rude to me... if it's something obvious, then i just return the compliment about something obviously lacking in their appearance...
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ytide



Joined: 26 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i've reverted to kicking them out of class if they say something completely rude to me...

The other day I had one kid (1st grade middle school) loudly say "Yankee 시발!", after I'd grabbed something he had been playing with instead of completing his task.

I walk calmly over to him drag him up by the arm, take him outside the class, and put him in an empty classroom alone, where he stays for the duration. Nothing bad comes of it. I go over and chat with him for a minute after the bell rings, about how he shouldn't say things like that to any teacher or any person at all. He nods along and looks at the floor, which is their standard way of interacting with any teacher, seems to me. Very "Confucian".


I realize this post is not quite related to the OP, unless being a "Yankee" is a character-flaw! Very Happy
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, Korean children (and adults also) speak whatever comes to their mind without giving it a second thought. Especially more so if they think they are not going to be understood or get away with it. They'll gob off on foreigners and Koreans.
I have an an appearance of an ajeosshi. Kids gob off around me all the time. if I tell them to 'govern their tongue' (말조심헤), they think I'm kidding. If I tell to 'shut up' (입닼쳐), they get the idea.
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Senior



Joined: 31 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My new class of 1st grade boys are little shits. Last year I had one bad class. This year, I have one good class. Sad

One of the classes have taken to calling me Maegju Makkoli. It is kind of what my name sounds like. Which was actually pretty funny the first time. It's starting to get irritating now though, but is getting more sporadic as I simply don't react to it.

I think that is the key. As long as it s not super rude or disrepectful, the best thing to do is ignore.
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DorkothyParker



Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How old are the kids? Younger children aren't so keen at self-censorship. They are also observing the world around them from a very limited viewpoint. Much of what they observe is the external. They are not developed enough to understand or express deeper observations on your character. This combined with the very strong focus on appearance, and yes, your kids will probably say things that could seem hurtful. I don't think they mean to be cruel.

My old students used to say "little bit fat" and poke at my belly. It actually hurt my feelings more than it should have and is one of the main reasons I joined a gym. (The other being it's so much cheaper to shop when I can fit the 1 or 2 sizes available from street vendors).

My new kids haven't said anything to me, but I get the feeling comments have been made about my rear. At lunch they said something to my co-teacher and she laughed and asked them something about an "s-line" while gesturing to me. They said B or P line (I'm not sure which). I dunno. Actually, thinking about it really does damage my self worth. Sad( I'm gonna go eat cookies and go to bed.
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nourozi



Joined: 15 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DorkothyParker wrote:


My old students used to say "little bit fat" and poke at my belly. It actually hurt my feelings more than it should have and is one of the main reasons I joined a gym. (The other being it's so much cheaper to shop when I can fit the 1 or 2 sizes available from street vendors).

My new kids haven't said anything to me, but I get the feeling comments have been made about my rear. At lunch they said something to my co-teacher and she laughed and asked them something about an "s-line" while gesturing to me. They said B or P line (I'm not sure which). I dunno. Actually, thinking about it really does damage my self worth. Sad( I'm gonna go eat cookies and go to bed.


Haha, kids are funny.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: Character flaws Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:
We aren't perfect, are we? Somehow, this point is lost on many Korean children. In fact, a large majority of them. I guess they're all perfect.

Every westerner I know is called names incessantly by Korean kids. Either he/she's too tall, too short, too fat, too thin, have acne, balding, big nose, big eyes, something is too big, something is too small, etc.

I have been reminded about my bald head almost on a daily basis. I have tried laughing along with them, scolding them, punishing them, etc. It happens almost on a daily basis. I am too thick-skinned to be bothered by it anymore, but more than anything, I am tired of hearing about it. It's as if I don't already know. It's like 'Yeah thanks Min Su. I didn't know I was losing my hair. Thanks for the news flash, you little *beep*.'

What physical flaw do your students remind you of on a daily basis?


Like it or not, baldness can be a factor for western men at a much younger age than for korean men. So, it does alter our appearance. Thankfully, I managed to get through most of my 20's with hair. Think it started in my late 20's but I could hide it. I started like many shaving my head and when I came here shortly after this time some women still said I looked good. But as the hair came out more and shaving wouldn't hide it, I got the transplant and now have hair. No more bald comments for me. Ha ha. Any of you who save up some cash (or have a credit card) and want to know more about the procedure, let me know. Just beware of price. Too cheap could mean a botched job.

As I get older, I will look younger. I think it is better for applying for jobs. Even back home, when people don't say anything, they are prob thinking it - say, in a job interview.
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Hobophobic



Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife's relatives always make a point to tell her she looks FAT when they visit and say they are worried about her...if I said that...oh yogwon weekend for me...they are always kind enough to mention how I drink too much at family functions too even when I go to bed early everynight and their husbands come home wasted at 5-6am everyday so exhausted from work they crawl up the steps home and can't seem to put the key in the keyhole...

...generally I find they love to point out the flaws they find in you because they are concerned and care about you...like the thread on stares...just shrug it off...
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pattinsons



Joined: 28 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hobophobic wrote:
...generally I find they love to point out the flaws they find in you because they are concerned and care about you...like the thread on stares...just shrug it off...


I agree with Hobophobic. Most of the kids tell me on a daily basis that I am fat or ugly. I don't take it personal. They are kids. The kids that really don't care about you are the ones that don't speak to you.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Key word: kids.

Nuff said no?

How some of us forget how we were as kids with out teachers... Laughing
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Solarian



Joined: 12 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were the occasional cracks about "having a baby" when I was new here, but I shed the weight and it hasn't been a problem since. I still get the occasional comment about how I "have a big nose", and I reply "no, mine is normal, your nose is too small". Most of the kids make positive comments about my appearance, they say I'm handsome, and one class nick named me "Beckham" but I just assume they're sucking up to the teacher.
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Key point you missed: They don't do this to K teachers. They wouldn't dare.

I was hoping to come on here and say that no one called me bald yesterday, but one little twerp in my last class couldn't let it goi. Today, someone in the first class did.

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Key word: kids.

Nuff said no?

How some of us forget how we were as kids with out teachers... Laughing
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