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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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David Frum:
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| "Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us, and now we are discovering we work for Fox" |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#36044834
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003230020
Frum also said that the health care bill was supposed to be the Democrats' Waterloo, but turned out to be the Republican's Waterloo.
So the Republican "think" tank showed him the door. For thinking.
I don't claim to be a genius. I, too, was once a registered Republican. But I figured this out 19 years ago. I swore I would never, ever vote for another Republican for the rest of my life. And I haven't. And this from a person who worked on numerous Republican campaigns, was an aide to a Republican state legislator and in the press office of a Republican mayor.
There are good Republicans, particularly at the state level, but a vote for a Republican is a vote for the Republican Party. The Republican Party has long abandoned any claim to representing true conservative ideals. It is now the unabashed party of racists and ignoramuses (ignorami?).
Repeat after me:
"I will never, ever vote for another Republican as long as I live."
"I will never, ever vote for another Republican as long as I live."
"I will never, ever vote for another Republican as long as I live."
America needs a two-party system. In other words, it needs two viable political parties, two parties that present alternative ideas, but who are both dedicated to promoting the welfare of the American PEOPLE -- not the American corporations.
Please, if you are a true American, do not vote for a Republican.
And if you are not an American, do not assume that all Americans are Republicans. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:50 am Post subject: |
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both dedicated to promoting the welfare of the American PEOPLE -- not the American corporations.
Please, if you are a true American, do not vote for a Republican.
And if you are not an American, do not assume that all Americans are Republicans. |
You do realize that most of the money the US government has comes from corporations.
You do know that other countries have large corporations, and they would be more than happy to supplant American companies?
Corporations are always the bad guys. They employ millions of Americans. Their revenue is taxed heavily, which adds to the US treasury. Their economies of scale allow people to purchase goods at a lower cost, increasing the standards of living.
Yeah, they are so bad. Bill Gates, an Icon of the 21st century Corporate Billionaire donated $28 Billion Dollars of evil money he earned in his evil "Microsoft" corporation to charity.
Shortly after Katrina hit, Walmart was at the forefront of relief handing out truckloads of merchandise, food, and giving jobs to people who were displaced. What an evil corporation.
It doesn't make sense why people vilify corporations. Are there some bad ones out there? Sure, of course. For every bad corporation there are hundreds who don't try to screw people over. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| I also used to have conservative ideals and consequently voted Republican. And then came the Patriot Act. And then two hugely expensive wars that only help the military industrial complex and big corporations. Of course I always knew that the elites had advantages over the small guy, but of course it was like that every where, and it wasnt so bad. But I didnt realize just how effin rigged the game was until the Wall Street bail out last year. Our system is a sham, conspiritorial, totally rigged, and rotten to the core. And the Democratic party is but a sliver better then the republicans. Obama has demonstarted that. Im all for another US revolution and if I ever became terminally ill, well I wont go there on this discussion board. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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I don't claim to be a genius. I, too, was once a registered Republican. But I figured this out 19 years ago. I swore I would never, ever vote for another Republican for the rest of my life. And I haven't. And this from a person who worked on numerous Republican campaigns, was an aide to a Republican state legislator and in the press office of a Republican mayor.
There are good Republicans, particularly at the state level, but a vote for a Republican is a vote for the Republican Party. The Republican Party has long abandoned any claim to representing true conservative ideals. It is now the unabashed party of racists and ignoramuses (ignorami?).
Repeat after me:
"I will never, ever vote for another Republican as long as I live."
"I will never, ever vote for another Republican as long as I live."
"I will never, ever vote for another Republican as long as I live."
America needs a two-party system. In other words, it needs two viable political parties, two parties that present alternative ideas, but who are both dedicated to promoting the welfare of the American PEOPLE -- not the American corporations.
Please, if you are a true American, do not vote for a Republican.
And if you are not an American, do not assume that all Americans are Republicans. |
Good start. Now, you have only one more party to go. If everyone did that, we could start our way out of this mess. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| There is a mania among Republicans right now. They thought they had Obama down for the count when Scott Brown won in Massachusetts. They didn't. The President managed to pass the one bill they hated (and feared) the most. Their reaction has been to get even more extreme...drinking their own kool-aid. I just said on Hardball, "It's getting pretty close to Jonestown." |
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/25/more-on-frum/?xid=rss-topstories |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Extreme? Like fabricating racial and anti-gay slurs for political points? That's extreme. The Republicans are pissed off but the most dangerous extremism has come from the completely cynical and self-obsessed establishment Dems. Fabricating "hate" is a damn dangerous game. |
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machinoman
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| For every bad corporation there are hundreds who don't try to screw people over. |
This is completely absurd.
It is true that cooperations occasionally donate to good causes. It is for good press. It is not for those in need. If Walmart cared about people, it would provide its workers with health insurance. If Microsoft cared about people, they would allot more funds to developing a decent operating system, instead of drowning my TV with lame ads. Corporations care only about the bottom line.
And that's fine, but they should have to play by the rules just like everybody else. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| For every bad corporation there are hundreds who don't try to screw people over. |
This is completely absurd.
It is true that cooperations occasionally donate to good causes. It is for good press. It is not for those in need. If Walmart cared about people, it would provide its workers with health insurance. If Microsoft cared about people, they would allot more funds to developing a decent operating system, instead of drowning my TV with lame ads. Corporations care only about the bottom line.
And that's fine, but they should have to play by the rules just like everybody else. |
So, you are basing you entire opinion about corporations based on a handful? You do realize there are millions of corporations around the world? You do know that there are countless corporations that are striving to make the world a better place? Amist criticism about Walmart's health care policies, they have taken the lead in requiring health coverage for workers. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/30/AR2009063004092.html)
Windows 7 is a hit with positive reviews from all over the Tech industry. Microsoft also put out the Xbox, despite people saying its a stupid move. If they hadn't, we'd all be paying $1000 for a PS3 or $500 for a Wii.
Corporations have evolved over the years. I think your perception of corporations is outdated. Nowadays, the dominate idea among corporations is "Corporate Social Responsibility". You can google it.
BTW, Corporations are faced with MORE rules than any other business type. They are more regulated and are under more scrutiny.
** Addendum
You need competition to keep corporations in check. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Create an environment that allows other corporations to compete. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:19 am Post subject: |
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tomtoles/2010/03/30/c_03312010.gif
In case you missed it:
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RNC spends nearly $2,000 at sex-themed Voyeur nightclub
By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, March 30, 2010; A02
So this must be what Michael Steele meant when he promised an "off the hook" PR campaign for the Republican National Committee.
In its February financial report filed with the Federal Election Commission, the RNC itemized its disbursements for the month, including:
$53.99 to Staples in Bismarck, N.D., for office supplies.
$123.17 to the Courtyard hotel in Lansing, Mich., for lodging.
$282.01 to Hertz in Dallas for car rental.
$1,946.25 to Voyeur in West Hollywood for, uh, meals.
Meals, huh? And quite a menu they have at Voyeur, according to write-ups in the Los Angeles Times about the new club:
"Impromptu bondage and S&M 'scenes' being played out on an elevated platform by scantily clad performers throughout the night."
Chairs "detailed with the metal hardware and bondage straps of leather fetishists. . . . One with a harness that designer Ted Nemeth calls the Restraint chair."
"One female performer with a horse's bit in her mouth was being strapped to the wall by another."
"The dark, leather-heavy interior is reminiscent of the masked orgy scene" from the movie "Eyes Wide Shut."
"There is also a heavy net suspended above the club's lounge area where performers writhe above the heads of club-goers. Even more provocative scenes are played out in an enclosed glass booth area adjacent to the club's dance floor area."
And Al Gore got in trouble for going to a Buddhist temple? |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/29/AR2010032902978.html
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The party's over for RNC head Michael Steele
By Kathleen Parker
Wednesday, March 31, 2010; A17
What a difference $2,000 in a lesbian bondage strip club makes.
Then again, the latest Republican National Committee scandalita (Press three for Spanglish: "Small scandal") is, alas, just that -- the latest in a string of problems plaguing the RNC when it should be stocking champagne for November.
Who are these goofballs?
The responsible committee staffer has been fired for authorizing donor reimbursement to cover a night out for some "young donors" to the forever-grateful Voyeur, a West Hollywood lesbian bondage-themed nightclub for the discriminating diner. That is, one who finds gustatory stimulation in the presence of, for example, a woman with a horse's bit in her mouth being strapped to the wall by another woman.
To each his own appetizer, I suppose, but something tells me the family-values crowd may not be down with this fundraising approach.
But let's be clear: RNC Chairman Michael Steele had absolutely nothing to do with it. Got that? He wasn't there. He doesn't approve of it. Moving on.
There's just one problem: RNC and lesbian bondage are now tattooed on the American brain, and the buck stops at the top. Moreover, if G-string spending were the single offense under Steele's leadership, then perhaps this stain would fade, as have others, in time for Republicans to tap into voter frustration. Alas, this is hardly the first or the worst example of Steele's leadership deficit. |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/30/AR2010033002772.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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'Young Eagles' director Allison Meyers fired from RNC in bondage club controversy
By Dan Eggen
The staffer fired by the Republican National Committee for authorizing a $2,000 payment for a night out at a bondage-themed club was the head of the Young Eagles, a GOP program aimed at cultivating major donors under 45 years old, Republicans familiar with the details of the case said Tuesday.
Allison Meyers, the Young Eagles director, asked the RNC to reimburse a GOP consultant for the costs of a Jan. 31 after-party event for young Republicans at Voyeur in West Hollywood, Calif., which features topless female dancers wearing bondage gear and simulating sex acts. Meyers' identity was first reported by the National Journal's Hotline.
The disbursement of money for the Voyeur gathering has become a major embarrassment for the RNC and its high-profile chairman, Michael S. Steele, at a time when the GOP is hoping to capitalize on an energized conservative base for this year's midterm elections. The RNC acknowledged late Monday it had fired an unnamed staffer over the affair, but spokesman Doug Heye declined to comment Tuesday on whether Meyers was the staffer who was let go.
The trip to Voyeur took place after an official RNC Young Eagles dinner at the Beverly Hills Hotel attended by about 50 young Republican donors, according to the RNC and other officials. Hotline, citing several unidentified sources, said Meyers organized both the official RNC event and the after-party at the club. About a dozen young Republicans, including Meyers, attended the Voyeur gathering, GOP officials said.
One of those in attendance was Erik Brown, a GOP consultant and donor whose company, Dynamic Marketing Inc., has earned about $160,000 from GOP campaigns. GOP officials said Meyers tried to put the $1,946.25 tab on a credit card but was rejected; Meyers then asked Brown to cover the bill with promises that the RNC would reimburse him, these officials said. Brown has not responded to e-mails and telephone messages seeking his side of the story. |
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/reports-say-young-eagles-direc.html
Still not convinced?
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| The RNC's young donors program, which requires annual donations of $2,500 to $7,500 per person depending on age, has come under fire for its sometimes edgy approach to fundraising. For example, Young Eagles donors are scheduled to gather for a retreat in North Carolina on April 22 at a firearms training facility run by Xe Services, the controversial military contractor previously known as Blackwater, which has been dogged with allegations of civilian killings and other abuses in U.S. war zones. |
This is the party of family values? |
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thedrizzle
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| For every bad corporation there are hundreds who don't try to screw people over. |
This is completely absurd.
It is true that cooperations occasionally donate to good causes. It is for good press. It is not for those in need. If Walmart cared about people, it would provide its workers with health insurance. If Microsoft cared about people, they would allot more funds to developing a decent operating system, instead of drowning my TV with lame ads. Corporations care only about the bottom line.
And that's fine, but they should have to play by the rules just like everybody else. |
Corporations don't have to play by the rules. You know why? Liberals like you expand government power. Now who do you think has the money to lobby government to get preferential treatment? And who do you think has the people that have experience to staff all of your new regulatory agencies?
Once you've "taken down the power" once and move onto your next cause the major corporations with billions of dollars to gain or lose move in and do whatever they can to exert influence.
Way to go, way to think that one through.
And as far as the fact that they only care about their bottom line, Adam Smith said in Wealth of Nations
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It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.
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Make these companies compete on an even playing field with everyone else and you'll all be better off |
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Gatsby
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| For every bad corporation there are hundreds who don't try to screw people over. |
This is completely absurd.
It is true that cooperations occasionally donate to good causes. It is for good press. It is not for those in need. If Walmart cared about people, it would provide its workers with health insurance. If Microsoft cared about people, they would allot more funds to developing a decent operating system, instead of drowning my TV with lame ads. Corporations care only about the bottom line.
And that's fine, but they should have to play by the rules just like everybody else. |
Corporations don't have to play by the rules. You know why? Liberals like you expand government power. Now who do you think has the money to lobby government to get preferential treatment? And who do you think has the people that have experience to staff all of your new regulatory agencies?
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Dude, you are preaching to the choir. I'm a Conservative, a staunch one at that. I wanted the banks, GM, and whatever other comapnies that do badly to fail. I didn't want them bailed out by the government. I'm all for small government. Large governments are full of red tape, bureaucracy, and are bloated.
its the same with corporations. You get too big, you are going to be taken down by the little guys. Yes, corporations lobby. They have to. If they don't then you have these other non-government organizations lobbying to their hearts content. Corporate lobbyists are the ones that tell the government not to overreach. Its the NGO's that are the ones that tell the government, "Hey, you need to do this. You need to control more. Etc..."
Today, corporations are concerned about sustainability. They can sustain themselves if they plunder and destroy everything around them. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Corporate lobbyists are the ones that tell the government not to overreach. |
What? I kinda doubt pharmaceuticals were doing that when Bush wanted to extend prescription drug coverage to seniors. They also were pretty supportive of Obama's health care plan. And what about US steel companies wanting Bush to raise tariffs? You think agri-business doesn't support farm subsidies and other market distortions created by the government? And the energy companies not jumping on that bandwagon so sugar ethanol doesn't become a competitor to gas?
Corporations are like any other interest group: self-preservation. |
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Kimbop
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps the simpletons on this board would rather move to a country where corporations are discouraged to nonexistant, such as N Korea, Cuba, Somalia, Myanmar, etc.
I'm incorporated, and I ain't so bad. But I do carry a legally concealed weapon to protect myself from Obama voters who aim to rob me. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Another Day, Another Republican National Committee Sex Scandal
by Juli Weiner April 1, 2010, 3:45 PM
Today in sexual missteps of the Republican National Committee: �The Republican National Committee sent a fundraising mail piece earlier this month with a return number that leads to a phone-sex line offering �live, one-on-one talk with a nasty girl who will do anything you want for just $2.99 per minute,�� deadpans (?) Ben Smith of Politico.
It seems the number was supposed to have a 202 area code, not a 1-800 prefix. This must just be characteristic of R.N.C.�s scaled-back, recession-era sex scandals: $2.99-per-minute is a veritable steal compared to a $2,000 adventure at a bondage club. |
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/04/another-day-another-republican-national-committee-sex-scandal.html |
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