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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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re- going places where corporations are discourage/non-existant..
I think that's turning it into an either/or argument about corporations when the abolition of corporations is not necessarily being advocated. To my mind, basically the criticism coming from anti-corporate types boils down to some people just want corporations to 'play fair', however that might be defined, and not bribe/corrupt/distort/whatever public policy making, real or perceived. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Please read Paul Krugman's latest column.
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Divided We Fail
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Barring a huge upset, Republicans will take control of at least one house of Congress next week. How worried should we be by that prospect?
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But we won�t get those policies if Republicans control the House. In fact, if they get their way, we�ll get the worst of both worlds: They�ll refuse to do anything to boost the economy now, claiming to be worried about the deficit, while simultaneously increasing long-run deficits with irresponsible tax cuts � cuts they have already announced won�t have to be offset with spending cuts.
So if the elections go as expected next week, here�s my advice: Be afraid. Be very afraid. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/29/opinion/29krugman.html?src=me&ref=homepage
Especially if you are in your 20s or 30s. You are entering an era when a person will consider themselves lucky to get a part time job at McDonald's.
Yes, it appears that the GOP can be saved, at the expense of selling it's soul and mortgaging the country to China.
If Americans put the GOP back in power, they deserve everything they get, including the annihilation of the economy and the destruction of the American dream.
America is at a tipping point, and this is the last chance for people to work together to solve the country's problems. The GOP has no intention of working with Obama or the Democrats, and has no plan for solving any of the problems that face the U.S., aside from enriching the rich, making fools of the middle class, and screwing the poor.
The U.S. economy is very fragile. If it does tip, forget "Great Recession" -- think "Grand Canyon Depression." The country could enter a deep economic depression that could last longer than the Great Depression. It could destroy more middle class jobs because there is so little manufacturing left in the United States, and an impoverished middle class won't be able to buy much, anyway.
I don't know how much clearer to make this: The Republicans do not care about you. The GOP is a party of traitors to their country. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:18 am Post subject: |
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except ron paul.
but it's not like the democrats care about changing anything, it's just more of the same. actually im more concerned with what the fed will do in the coming days. i think qe2 is coming, then maybe in a couple of months qe3. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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"ron paul"?
I assume you cannot be referring to Rand Paul:
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MoveOn Activist Head-Stomper Identified As Rand Paul Campaign Coordinator
The man who helped tackle a MoveOn.org activist to the ground and stomped on her head last night has been identified as Tim Profitt, a volunteer campaign coordinator for Kentucky GOP Senate nominee Rand Paul. Profitt apologized for attacking activist Lauren Valle, but told the AP �that the camera angle made the scuffle Monday night appear worse that it was.� �I�m sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand�s safety,� Profitt said. |
If you are worried about your boss's safety, why not just hire body guards, like that Alaska Republican candidate, handcuff them, then take them behind the building where no one can see you, and then stomp on the Democrat's head? Then you won't have to worry about a bad camera angle.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/26/paul-stomper-identified/
This is how Republicans settle their differences with people they don't agree with in America in the year 2010. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:27 am Post subject: |
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You need to turn off the partisan Dem media dude.
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| But we won�t get those policies if Republicans control the House. In fact, if they get their way, we�ll get the worst of both worlds: They�ll refuse to do anything to boost the economy now, claiming to be worried about the deficit, while simultaneously increasing long-run deficits with irresponsible tax cuts � cuts they have already announced won�t have to be offset with spending cuts. |
"Doing anything" for PK means stimulus, both monetary and fiscal. See Andy Xie's article I posted on The Depression Thread regarding stimulus. Second, Krugman justifies his deficit spending because the deficit doesn't matter (when D's are in charge) but now he's worried about it. Ok.
The problem is fraud and banks who own the government (and PK's mind). Neither the D or R will do anything meaningful. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:27 am Post subject: |
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"ron paul"?
I assume you cannot be referring to Rand Paul:
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MoveOn Activist Head-Stomper Identified As Rand Paul Campaign Coordinator
The man who helped tackle a MoveOn.org activist to the ground and stomped on her head last night has been identified as Tim Profitt, a volunteer campaign coordinator for Kentucky GOP Senate nominee Rand Paul. Profitt apologized for attacking activist Lauren Valle, but told the AP �that the camera angle made the scuffle Monday night appear worse that it was.� �I�m sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand�s safety,� Profitt said. |
If you are worried about your boss's safety, why not just hire body guards, like that Alaska Republican candidate, handcuff them, then take them behind the building where no one can see you, and then stomp on the Democrat's head? Then you won't have to worry about a bad camera angle.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/26/paul-stomper-identified/
This is how Republicans settle their differences with people they don't agree with in America in the year 2010. |
So some random volunteer guy stomps on a guy's head and it's Rand Paul's fault; and by extension Ron Paul's fault? That's the weakest argument I've ever heard.
Everything you say about the GOP was correct. But that you actually believe Obama and the Democrats to be a viable alternative shows how completely brainwashed you must be. Obama is a Wall Street stooge (everyone in his cabinet is ex-Goldman Sachs or JPMorgan) and has continued and expanded nearly all of Bush's horrible policies. Obama has actually done more damage at this point than even Bush, as hard as that may be to believe.
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| You are entitled to your opinion, mises. I hope I am wrong. And I promise, if I ever meet you, I won't stomp on you head. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: |
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So some random volunteer guy stomps on a guy's head and it's Rand Paul's fault; and by extension Ron Paul's fault? That's the weakest argument I've ever heard. |
But this is THE Democrat talking point right now. Tea Partiers are violent, racist thugs. You see the signs at their rallies? You see their behavior?
Racist is the Left-wing equivalent of unpatriotic. Its like 2006 all over again but in reverse.
Interesting side-note, a classmate of mine actually interviewed the guy who did the head-stomping for Louisville magazine. He was head of the Bourbon county Rand Paul office. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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For the Repubs to return it is going to take a lot of soul searching by the few sane adults in the party. It is one thing to spout slogans but quite another thing to help rule.
I would like to see the repubs put forth a clear vision of what they would do if they returned to power.
I think Obama has worked hard to run the government and done a fairly good job. He has been terrible at selling his ideas. He behaves like what he is a slightly nerdy college professor who works hard but doesnt always communicate well.
Demographics are against the Republicans they have to completely overhaul their philosophy and quickly or they will be in the wilderness a lot longer. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/28/AR2010102806270.html
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In a radio interview that aired Monday on Univision, President Obama chided Latinos who "sit out the election instead of saying, 'We're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.' " Quite a uniter, urging Hispanics to go to the polls to exact political revenge on their enemies - presumably, for example, the near-60 percent of Americans who support the new Arizona immigration law.
This from a president who won't even use "enemies" to describe an Iranian regime that is helping kill U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. This from a man who rose to prominence thunderously declaring that we were not blue states or red states, not black America or white America or Latino America - but the United States of America.
This is how the great post-partisan, post-racial, New Politics presidency ends - not with a bang, not with a whimper, but with a desperate election-eve plea for ethnic retribution. |
Obama.
Iran is not an enemy, so the neo-con can shut his mouth about that. Obama is not what all these SWPL's think. Everybody go read Dreams. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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Well there is a very good reason not to call Iran an enemy it is about the future. In the 25 and under age group in Iran the U.s. is seen in a very favorable light. the mullahs are facing serious challenges to their power. there will be political changes in Iran in the near future and we must keep certain doors open.
yes of course obama is going to appoint an expert on Sharia law to the supreme court. he is going to establish death panels. He will sell your children to Osama bin Ladin to use for food and sex slaves.
Even Bill O 'reilly said he thought the president had the good of America in mind. just that he was wrong about certain things.
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this is about the REpublicans retooling their party and their ideas.
Continuing to demonize the president and seeming to wish for him to fail is a loser. They have to put some ideas on the table. The Pledge to America is a joke it promises more corporate welfare.
large deficits and business as usual. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Well there is a very good reason not to call Iran an enemy it is about the future. In the 25 and under age group in Iran the U.s. is seen in a very favorable light. the mullahs are facing serious challenges to their power. there will be political changes in Iran in the near future and we must keep certain doors open.
yes of course obama is going to appoint an expert on Sharia law to the supreme court. he is going to establish death panels. He will sell your children to Osama bin Ladin to use for food and sex slaves.
Even Bill O 'reilly said he thought the president had the good of America in mind. just that he was wrong about certain things.
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this is about the REpublicans retooling their party and their ideas.
Continuing to demonize the president and seeming to wish for him to fail is a loser. They have to put some ideas on the table. The Pledge to America is a joke it promises more corporate welfare.
large deficits and business as usual. |
Soju? |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Well, at least someone has his thinking cap on:
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| ONE dirty little secret of the 2010 election is that it won�t be a political tragedy for Democrats if a Tea Party icon like Sharron Angle or Joe Miller ends up in the United States Senate. Angle, now synonymous with racist ads sliming Hispanics, and Miller, already on record threatening a government shutdown, are fired up and ready to go as symbols of G.O.P. extremism for 2012 and beyond. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/opinion/31rich.html?ref=opinion
For more on Joe Miller:
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/09/23/joe_miller_militias
Putting Joe Miller in the United States Senate could be the best thing that has happened to the Democrats since Richard Nixon resigned. But why stop there? Why not put all the Cracked Tea Pots in the Congress and let them deal with the mess created by eight years of the George Bush Administration?
I always felt uneasy about the Democrats wanting to take control of everything in 2008. It was clearly a no-win proposition because there was no way anyone, not even Superman, could clean up that mess in two years. They did avert a total economic meltdown of the U.S. and much of the world. And are the American people grateful? Heck, no! Like spoiled brats, they apparently wanted Obama to restore full employment in 1/4th the time they gave Bush and his Trickle Down Economics, which produced nothing but horizon to horizon deficits.
I'm not a big fan of Ayn Rand, but if the American voter is stupid enough to put functional illiterates in camo-ammo outfits on the ballot, I say it is time for the grownups to sit this one out.
Got a candidate whose supporters like to parade carrying semi-automatic rifles? Got a candidate who likes to shoot submachine guns on television ads? Got a candidate whose staff handcuffs the press or stomps on the heads of the opposition?
If you are a Democrat, vote for him or her!
The American economy is going to collapse, regardless. Let these idiots deal with the mess.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| They did avert a total economic meltdown of the U.S. and much of the world. |
How. Evidence. Be specific.
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| Bush and his Trickle Down Economics, which produced nothing but horizon to horizon deficits. |
Please describe the nature and causes of the economic crisis. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| You need to turn off the partisan Dem media dude. |
And go to church so I can find out whom I am supposed to vote for?
Well, praise the Lord, or at least Jerry Prevo, the real power behind the Alaska GOP:
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At Anchorage Baptist Temple's candidate day, Miller was first in the line of office- seekers invited by the Rev. Jerry Prevo to introduce themselves to hundreds of people in the congregation.
"Joe Miller, the pro-life, pro-family candidate for U.S. Senate," Miller said, a comment that elicited at least one wolf whistle despite Prevo's admonition to the congregation to hold applause to the end. |
http://www.adn.com/2010/10/31/1528942/senate-candadiates-keep-up-the.html
and pass the ammunition ... to the Alaska Citizens Militia, whose Drop Zone security force Joe Miller hired as body guards and who handcuffed a working journalist questioning Miller in a public school.
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| The Alaska Citizens Militia claims about 200 members and has a 20-acre compound in Nikiski where they wear camo and shoot guns on weekends. Unlike most Alaskans, many of whom also wear camo and shoot guns on weekends, Olson's group is in training for the Tribulation. In 1995 he told Christianity Today: "Where do we get this idea we are supposed to let a corrupt government get worse and worse. Our Lord told us to contend for the faith and occupy until he comes." |
http://www.adn.com/2010/10/31/1528948/alaska-citizens-militia-tea-party.html
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The actions of Drop Zone in the case of the handcuffed journalist open a window into the world of Alaska paramilitary organizations and their connection to the tea party. Drop Zone's private security personnel, hired by tea party Republican Joe Miller, "arrested" Alaska Dispatch editor Tony Hopfinger for attempting to ask Miller about misuse of North Star Borough computers. The Drop Zone guys then proceeded to push Dispatch reporter Jill Burke around while another reporter got it all on video.
Drop Zone primarily sells military supplies, and the owner, William Fulton, appears on the Alaska Citizens Militia website's discussion boards corresponding with its founder, Pastor Norm Olson. Olson, in turn, has ideological ties to the tea party movement; in a newsletter Olson called Miller "a friend of patriots."
This is Olson's third militia. In 1993 he founded the Michigan Militia but was later expelled for outrageously proposing the Oklahoma City bombing was not carried out by Timothy McVeigh but by the Japanese government in retaliation for a 1995 U.S. sponsored sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway. He then started a short-lived Northern Michigan Regional Militia. |
This guy Olson was kicked out of the right wing Michigan Militia for being too extreme, and so he moves to Alaska, where he is now viewed as normal enough to wind up as buddies with the Republican candidate for the United States Senate, who is buddies with Sarah Palin, the Republican's candidate for Vice President of the United States in 2008.
Kuros wrote, according to Democrats:
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| Tea Partiers are violent, racist thugs. |
This is who Joe Miller, GOTP, is aligned with:
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| Militia movements trace their modern iteration to groups like the Posse Comitatus, a Christian Identity group active in the 1980s. Christian Identity adherents believe white, Christian Euro-Americans are God's chosen people and destined to dominate all other races. Threats to this version of white supremacy come from a "one world" government like the United Nations, Jewish bankers, and centralized government programs (i.e. Democrats), among others, all of which, in their view, undermine American exceptionalism. They see themselves, as Michael Barkin states, as a kind of "divine warrior elite" combating modernity and liberals. |
I dunno. But then Miller did get the unofficial endorsement (since a church cannot legally endorse candidates, though that didn't stop Prevo from sending his parishioners to fan out across Alaska and take over the Republican Party precinct by precinct) of Jerry Prevo, Mr. Moral Majority.
That's good enough for me. Give me that old time religion, and screw those pinko commie college-educated journalists working for actual newspapers. I say a vote for Joe Miller is a vote for turning America into a Christian nation, provided you belong to the true Christian church, and not one of those wishy-washy liberal Christian churches like the Catholic Church or the Mennonites, the church of the former mayor of Wasilla whom Palin defeated with a campaign saying he was not a real Christian.
This is America in the year 2010.
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