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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
I really hope they vote YES!!!! if they do, wont be long before all the other states follow, then canada! and then the rest of the world!!!!!!
YYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH baby!!!!! |
Then Korea will have to ban all miguks and canucks from teaching here.  |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:54 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if this was mentioned already, but Mass has decriminalized possession of weed in an amount (under an ounce?) for "you personally getting high".
Maybe they make a distinction if it's broken up into separate baggies, I dunno. Anyway it'll be a long slog, but weed'll eventually be decriminalized in the States - probably around the time I no longer have the lung capacity to enjoy it. |
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machinoman
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
And so you're not satisfied with my portrayal of California? How's this for context:
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California's education system has become so poor so quickly that it is now effectively failing its future workforce. The percentage of 19-year-olds at college in the state dropped from 43% to 30% between 1996 and 2004, one of the highest falls ever recorded for any developed world economy. California's schools are ranked 47th out of 50 in the nation. Its government-issued bonds have been ranked just above "junk".
Between 2004 and 2008, half a million residents upped sticks and headed elsewhere. Two Democrat politicians have asked for their districts to be declared disaster zones, because of the poor economic conditions caused by foreclosures. |
But as my roommate said, California is the leader in green tech.
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The number of solar panels in the state has risen from 500 a decade ago to more than 50,000 now. California generates twice as much energy from solar power as all the other US states combined. |
So maybe with a million solar panels and a Constitutional Convention, California can turn it around. But I'd sure rather live in Virginia, even if California managed to legalize pot and keep the Feds off their back. |
Objection! Relevance? I am impressed that you were able to Google some articles on California, but these ones are not relevant to anything discussed previously.
Yeah I guess we dropped to 8th biggest economy, ah shucks. Legalizing pot might help a little bit. What number economy is Virginia? |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| California is like the goofball child. Always does something quirky before getting shut down and told to go sit in the cornor. |
California is like the goofball child that makes more money than all the other children, and generally leads the way in human rights. The policies we have now are the same policies Virginia will have in 2050. |
Leads, my ass. Which states allow gay marriage? California sure isn't among them.
Here's more on the failed state of California.
The Guardian: Will California become America's first failed state? |
Prop 13 was the beginning of the "tax revolution". California was also the first state to eliminate Affirmative Action, and allow marijuana for medicinal purposes. Now multiple states are that way.
Yes, CA is a mess budget wise, but it also has historically been a trend setter when it comes to public policy, for better and worse. The gay marriage ban has been the exception, and not the rule. |
All due respect for Californian history. But point is, bad times for California lately.
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Yeah I guess we dropped to 8th biggest economy, ah shucks. Legalizing pot might help a little bit. What number economy is Virginia? |
GDP means less than you think it does. Per Capita, Virginia more than holds its own with California. But point is, if you're from California, you shouldn't be waving your dick around in a pissing contest. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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Incidentally, that article is about the continued harassment of Barry Cooper, the former narcotics cop who started a reality TV show about catching crooked cops:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=179061&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
If you scroll down to the second post in that thread, you'll find additional articles about how Cooper was targeted by the law on beyond frivolous grounds in clear retaliation for his incriminating videos of corrupt Texas cops.
From mises's link:
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In another completely dumbfounding, ironic entry, Sgt. Gary Haston of the Williamson County Sheriff�s Department � the officer whose testimony appears on the original search warrant affidavit � actually claims he observed the children �crying for no reason� as armed officers invaded their home.
He also claims that Barry [as in Barry Cooper, the father who's being investigated, in case you thought one of his kids had the same name-- SM] �hates� his father and does not believe in church, as though this information would somehow be relevant to the CPS agents. |
lol, these are some classy cops. I can imagine them shouting at the crying kid with guns drawn demanding to know why he's crying. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Street Magic wrote: |
From mises's link:
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| In another completely dumbfounding, ironic entry, Sgt. Gary Haston of the Williamson County Sheriff�s Department � the officer whose testimony appears on the original search warrant affidavit � actually claims he observed the children �crying for no reason� as armed officers invaded their home. |
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Yeah, I found this snippet particularly amusing too.
Seriously, though, it's okay to teach your children that a magical invisible man is going to make you suffer forever if you don't obey him, but not okay to teach your children that the government is actively harming its citizens via the war on drugs, despite it being a verifiable truth? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
Seriously, though, it's okay to teach your children that a magical invisible man is going to make you suffer forever if you don't obey him, but not okay to teach your children that the government is actively harming its citizens via the war on drugs, despite it being a verifiable truth? |
Yes. That's right. Exactly right.
And this is the institution that you want to empower with progressive economic/social policy (more state). I do not understand sensible progressives (like you or Glenn Greenwald). At least the parrots of the world can claim not to know any better. You know how horrible the state is yet you want more of it. Do you just believe that changing the people presently in control will *poof* make things better? I can not understand this. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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The reason I hope it gets legalized is because people sneak and grow it in the forests on my farm and sometimes marijuana growers booby trap their crops.
If we're going to throw away the lives of healthy Americans to support the heroin peddlers we're backing in Afghanistan, surely we can legalize pot. It's no surprise the DC area, including its environs in Maryland and Virginia, is the heroin capital of the USA. I guess our bureaucrats would rather Americans walk around without limbs like some of our veterans of Afghanistan, have speech impediments like Steven Adler from his heroin-induced stroke, and give two dollar blow jobs like heroin whores in the DC area. God forbid an American buy and drink a beer on Sunday or smoke pot any day of the week.  |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| The reason I hope it gets legalized is because people sneak and grow it in the forests on my farm and sometimes marijuana growers booby trap their crops. |
What kinds of booby traps? |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| What kinds of booby traps? |
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-30-kentucky_N.htm
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A display case in the squat concrete building where they've gathered is a reminder of the booby traps they might face: Pipe bombs with trip wires, fishing hooks strung face-high across trails, sharpened bamboo sticks, ankle-crushing bear traps; and boards pounded through with three-inch nails that are laid on the ground and covered with leaves.
"Some growers will take a poisonous snake and with monofilament wire, tie it to the plot," Shemelya says, leaving police to find "one (very mad) pissed-off copperhead."
The traps are meant mainly for thieves. Most growers found on the sites, even armed ones, flee when police arrive. Still, the booby-traps are a hazard. A few years ago, three growers blew themselves up rigging a pipe bomb. One of Shemelya's men has had his face sliced with hooks, and another was injured after stepping into a "spike pit," he says. |
Fortunately, I've never personally run into a booby trap. When I was a kid digging ginsing and golden seal to dry out and sell, I once walked into a barbed wire fence painted green and beyond it was an enormous pot patch. Whoever was growing it had cut out a fairly large swath of trees. I didn't even know about booby traps at the time, but I was a little bit worried the growers could possibly be there and were seeing me even though I didn't see them, and think I was there to poach their crop. The police said the crop was worth up in the millions of dollars. Had I known it was worth that much, I would've possibly tried to poach it instead of digging ginsing and golden seal all summer for maybe a thousand dollars. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Objection! Relevance? I am impressed that you were able to Google some articles on California, but these ones are not relevant to anything discussed previously.
Yeah I guess we dropped to 8th biggest economy, ah shucks. Legalizing pot might help a little bit. What number economy is Virginia? |
The relevance is, the behavior of California is an Outlier compared to the rest of the United States. Virginia, on the other hand, is an example of a state that reflects the values of the rest of the country.
I'm not talking about economies. I'm talking about the attitudes and beliefs of Americans about Marijuana. I guarantee any politician in Washington DC (Congressman, Senator, or President) who supports legalization of marijuana is NOT going to get elected again.
So, get all your hippy friends together and celebrate early. I'll be sure to tell you "I told you so" when you find out that Marijuana will remain illegal.
Thinking in terms of economics is moot. US can make trillions on Cocaine, Crack, and Heroin. Doesn't mean they are going to legalize it for the money. |
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jhuntingtonus
Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Location: Jeonju
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| machinoman wrote: |
Objection! Relevance? I am impressed that you were able to Google some articles on California, but these ones are not relevant to anything discussed previously.
Yeah I guess we dropped to 8th biggest economy, ah shucks. Legalizing pot might help a little bit. What number economy is Virginia? |
The relevance is, the behavior of California is an Outlier compared to the rest of the United States. Virginia, on the other hand, is an example of a state that reflects the values of the rest of the country.
I'm not talking about economies. I'm talking about the attitudes and beliefs of Americans about Marijuana. I guarantee any politician in Washington DC (Congressman, Senator, or President) who supports legalization of marijuana is NOT going to get elected again.
So, get all your hippy friends together and celebrate early. I'll be sure to tell you "I told you so" when you find out that Marijuana will remain illegal.
Thinking in terms of economics is moot. US can make trillions on Cocaine, Crack, and Heroin. Doesn't mean they are going to legalize it for the money. |
Not true any more about the country's attitude. Per the New York Times some months ago, a survey showed 45% of Americans in favor of legalization. For such a politically incorrect, and in many circles unspeakable, opinion, that's a sky-high (whoops!) number. And most of those, of course, don't use it at all. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| Not true any more about the country's attitude. Per the New York Times some months ago, a survey showed 45% of Americans in favor of legalization. For such a politically incorrect, and in many circles unspeakable, opinion, that's a sky-high (whoops!) number. And most of those, of course, don't use it at all. |
Yes, but they knew someone who did - once.  |
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