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[Fox]

Yes, I apologize for the mixup of the particular event D Day referred to. I don't think about such events frequently, and the wrong thing popped into my mind. None the less, the substance of my point remains by and large the same; the outcome of the overall war was not in favor of the nation which engaged in needless military aggression, and the entirety of Europe was made worse off because men were willing to be professional killers in the government's employ.

Do you care to respond to the substance of my point, or will you use my error as an excuse to dodge it? Imagine how much better off Europe (and Japan for that matter) could have been -- imagine how many people wouldn't have pointlessly died -- if everyone involved had simply recognized how utterly ridiculous warfare is, and refused to accept a government that engaged in it.

Anything that brings the common man closer to this realization is a good thing. Whether one is motivated by a concern for his fellow man or a concern for his bank account, we all have good reason to oppose our countries engaging in needless military activity.

[conrad2]

Fox

This is for you. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

[Fox]

[conrad2]

Fox,
Actually Im with you in spirit on the whole military thing. However thats one level of utopia we wont be seeing in our lifetimes. The war in Afgahnistan is unnecessary and a travesty. Yet these soldiers are fighting and dying nontheless, and the next war may be necessary and justified and you will wont those soldiers fighting to protect you. This little courtesy of free tuition is not a lot to ask and I dont think it changes anyones mind about the military eiither way. How many Canadians even knew this existed until those professors chimed in?

[Fox]

[Reggie]

Instead of Canadians bickering back and forth on whether or not Canada is being imperialistic in Afghanistan, maybe we should let the Afghans weigh in on the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Air_Field_to_salute.jpg

[Manner of Speaking]

I think Canada is long overdue to establish some kind of Canadians United Against Political Correctness or some such organization. Don't get me wrong, I come at most issues from a liberal/left stance, but there is such a thing as stupid leftism. By that I mean, taking a heterogenous bundle of assumptions and biases inherited from someone you heard before, and then advocating them wholeheartedly, without taking a look to see if there are inconsistencies in them.

A scholarship for children of deceased soldiers who served in Afghanistan is a good idea, particularly as I've seen a few articles about how the families of deceased Afghanistan veterans have financial difficulties, even if they get some kind of pension or death benefit from the federal government. And although I look at issues from the left, I am 200% in favor of Canada's involvement in Afghanistan.

- even if the Afghan government is not 100 percent squeaky clean and has a long way to go before it gets there.
- even if it may take decades to stabilize Afghanistan, and even if it has a history of centuries of tribal instability.

A few years ago, I read about the male principal of a girl's elementary school in a rural district of Afghanistan. One day the Taliban came to the school, dragged out the principal, and beheaded him. All for the crime of teaching 8 year old girls how to read and write. After I read that, my opinion was decided.

- I don't give a damn if some Canadian soldier shot a wounded Taliban in a 'mercy killing'
- I don't give a damn if a few Taliban were transferred in to Afghan custody and tortured.
- I don't give a damn about the Geneva Convention and the UN Charter of Human Rights.

The sooner the Taliban are wiped off the face of the Earth, the better.

[Mosley]

I honestly can't fathom in the least how a guy like Fox can declare "I don't think about such events frequently" and then suggest that those of "good will" or some such silly thing can hold hands around the bonfire with the likes of the Taliban and sing "Kumbaya" and all will be well. Isn't this what the NDP's Jack Layton proposes? History is crammed to the lid with examples of this being total folly in the face of aggression.

Neville Chamberlain, Sept. 1938: "This[the Munich Agreement]brings us 'peace in our time' ".


Adolf Hitler, one week before the invasion of Poland, 1939: "Our enemies[Britain & France] are little worms. I saw them at Munich."

[Fox]

[mises]

[Jandar]

There are more Muslims in the USA then there are in Afghanistan.

[The Happy Warrior]

[On the other hand]

[Fox]

[Fox]

More civilians pointlessly dead due to needless Western interference in this area.

More anti-Western rhetoric from the head of the government our forces are there protecting.

Thank goodness we're incentivizing our young, otherwise productive men and women to enlist, head over to other countries, and protect our nations. I can definitely see why people would support this. I especially like this Karzai quote from the second article: