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em79



Joined: 19 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:47 am    Post subject: English Villages? Reply with quote

Hi, just wondered if anyone has experiences/opinions of an English Village teaching job ? (eg. at Suwon) What's the deal? Thanks.

( i have tried to search this topic as i'm sure it's been done before but because the search includes the whole site it just comes up with loads of hits on the job board not the forum- is there a better way of searching a specific forum?)
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked at one in Pyeongtaek, near Suwon. It wasn't really an English Zone which is something some public schools add on within the school.

This had more of a English Village feel, yet it wasn't quite an English Village which has 6 or more teachers. I was the only native English speaker, and with my co-teacher we taught in 3 classrooms. One was a main classroom which had a huge interactive screen, and the second was a room with role-play stations. I worked at one school with an English Zone, and all that was was a room designated for English study.

I think the English Village positions with 6 or more teachers have a Mickey Mouse Edutainer quality to it, and I would NEVER EVER take a job there. The position I had was ok, but I didn't get to see students often. I met with different schools that came to visit. I actually had better time with the students who came to an afterschool program.

So I would rate these as the following:

1) Afterschool program
2) Hagwon job where the school is small and outside a major city. You communicate DIRECTLY with the hagwon owner EVERY SINGLE DAY. You get to give input and the hagwon owner NEGOTIATES with you along the way.
3) English Village where you are basically the ONLY native English speaker.
4) Public school position (pick your choice, GEPIK EPIK or SMOE)
5) Hagwon job with 3 or 4 other native English teachers.
6) Larger hagwon with 10 or more teachers
7) Mickey Mouse Club English Village, you dress up and entertain like some munchkin from Wizard of Oz.
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Dude Ranch



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you think it is worse to work at a hagwon with a lot of other foreigners teaching there compared to one with few, lifeinkorea?
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Manuel_the_Bandito



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't expect the word 'teacher' necessarily to apply to your job description.
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air76



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only visited English Villages and never worked at one...but it looks like hell to me unless you really have no interest in teaching whatsoever and just want an easy, brainless, repetitive job. Working at an English Village would be more like having a crappy high school job at a dumpy regional theme park than actually teaching. Even at the lowest of the low hagwons you get a classroom and some kind of autonomy.....at an English Village you'd be essentially a talking mannequin.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude Ranch wrote:
Why do you think it is worse to work at a hagwon with a lot of other foreigners teaching there compared to one with few, lifeinkorea?


Because the school will use teachers against themselves. Also, if the school is that big it can afford a lot of teachers, then that means you are not working directly with the owner of the hagwon. You are working under co-teachers (YES, you could have multiple teachers and in this case Korean teachers who teach English the way they want, not the way you do). They work under one head English teacher usually, and alongside them is some kind of manager who deals with scheduling. Under them are the staff slaves who you see in those photos recruiters send of a dentist/doctor like front desk.

When do you actually see the hagwon owner? Only when you are aren't dancing around like a goofball during a class. The owner might scold you a bit and tell you to be more like the "other teachers".

The owner has padded himself quite nicely to avoid any type of confrontation or interaction with you. When you don't get paid or have to work overtime without pay, guess how many people you have to complain to before you see money in your account? First you spend a week if lucky talking to the staff slaves at the front desk who don't know anything because, "We don't make the decisions, but we will talk to the manager next meeting". Then, you have to wait for the manager to find out about this. Then, you have to find a time when the manager will talk to you about it. Then, you have to verify with the head English teacher you didn't get paid and you did teach certain hours. The owner doesn't know any of this is going on because it would look bad on the company, so they keep it hush hush from him. The accounting department is the last hurdle you have to get through, and they will always deduct a certain amount for BS reasons. When you get your money back, it is half of what you expected. Now, you get to go through all the same hoops to find out where the other half went. During this time, they aren't scheduling you any more overtime (other teachers are now doing this) and showing you that you haven't worked the hours they wanted you to. They will use this tactic to get FREE work out of multiple teachers. Because of blah blah day only having 5 classes, you don't get 1 or 2 overtime hours of pay even if they were outside of your working hours. Now, since you are 5-6 weeks after the pay date trying to get your money, and you haven't done any other overtime, somehow the hours you were expecting to get paid for have been applied to these weeks. I could go on with the crap they pull, but I won't.

ALL OF THIS SPELLS FACTORY JOB Do you want to be a slave?

I have been through this in Japan, Korea, and I just had an interview in China with a similar job. I only attended the interview because I wanted to learn about the procedure in getting a job here. I am not going to take the job. I think I will try a uni job offer instead, even if it is not in a big city. At least I can maintain my sanity.

I have also had smaller jobs in Japan and Korea. I was one of maybe a few teachers, or it was franchised based. With that, we worked with other franchises, and 95% of the time it was with the franchise owner of that school who was British, Australian, Canadian, or American.

The owner of the whole franchise system was in Osaka, and regardless how "cool" or "business minded" you wanted to credit him as, it still too had a cult like feel to the whole school to make everyone obey. The good thing was he never really pushed us to the extremes you see owners of big schools. If you wanted to participate in the ridiculousness it was up you and it didn't affect your pay.


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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first two contracts I signed for jobs in Korea were for English Village jobs, but they never opened due to financial reasons. I was interested in trying them because, as they were presented to me by recruiters and job ads, it was a way to try a variety of different things, different activities, rather than "just" classroom teaching. I ended up going to a hagwon after those jobs fell through, and then to public schools.

I wouldn't want to do a year in an EV now. The biggest reason, beyond the levels of job dissatisfaction you'll seen discussed on this thread and this board, is it's not really working in Korea. You come here for a cultural experience as much as job experience and money, but what kind of Korea do you see living and working on some theme park in the middle of nowhere?

If you'd like to try that sort of environment on a smaller scale, public schools usually have English camps during winter and summer vacation (though, increasingly these are going to college students and to teachers from the Phillipines, India, and other places). I worked two week-long winter camps, where beyond teaching a particular theme you're involved in other activities with students like games, sports, activities, etc. They were really great opportunities, and I was happy to do them . . . but I don't think I'd like to do that week-in, week-out, never seeing the same students, never doing anything beyond immigration role plays and enduring shouts of HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Korean govt is coming to recognize english villages as the relatively useless money sinkholes that they are & they'll all be phased into other uses. Even as the newest ones are still just coming into use. Experiment fail.

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mellow-d



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked at the Suwon English Village the first year it was open and it was a fun year. The apartment is in a good location near a department store, an Outback, Fridays, a theater and some other good spots.

It's a good first job because there's no marking, planning or parents to deal but you still get the experience of being around kids and with classroom management. It gets really mindless though, because you do teach the same 6-10 classes 30 times a week, all year. What others have said is true: it's not really teaching and the classes never really change unless there's a summer or winter camp. There was some ridiculous classes too, like magic and dance but the boss was always good about not scheduling you for those classes if you really didn't want to teach them.

You have a new group of kids every single week who get the week off from their elementary school to spend the week at the Village. They treat the place like an amusement park and the behavior by the end of the week is even worse than at hagwons.

When I was there the school was really tight with vacation time. Only 1 week off all year and you have to work every single public holiday because the school runs on a 5 day program... and they never miss a day.

It has its pluses and minuses like any job. Good luck Smile
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em79



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for all your answers, lots of food for thought there...much appreciated.
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Goon-Yang



Joined: 28 May 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:


So I would rate these as the following:

1) Afterschool program
2) Hagwon job where the school is small and outside a major city. You communicate DIRECTLY with the hagwon owner EVERY SINGLE DAY. You get to give input and the hagwon owner NEGOTIATES with you along the way.
3) English Village where you are basically the ONLY native English speaker.
4) Public school position (pick your choice, GEPIK EPIK or SMOE)
5) Hagwon job with 3 or 4 other native English teachers.
6) Larger hagwon with 10 or more teachers
7) Mickey Mouse Club English Village, you dress up and entertain like some munchkin from Wizard of Oz.


Wow...hakwon as #2. Haven't worked here long eh Smile
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wow...hakwon as #2. Haven't worked here long eh


Well, if you look, you will see I categorized hagwon jobs into 3 groupings on that list. I got a 2.5 hagwon job first time around and it was the best one I had actually compared to the Seoul one which was more like number 6.

The pay was the same, 2.5, but the environment was completely different.

Public school jobs aren't always that good, and now that you have to deskwarm, it really really sucks to teach only 22 hours but have to be at the school 40 hours.

With the RIGHT hagwon (I stress, RIGHT) you can do 25-28 hours and leave when you are finished teaching.

If you don't pick the RIGHT hagwon, then YOU YOURSELF probably haven't been in Korea long enough to pick the RIGHT ones. I have 5 schools in Japan, 2 hagwons, and 3 public schools in Korea (10 total) under my belt. I think I know what I am talking about, especially considering I am in China now and I am going into these interviews now thinking, "Oh the same crap is done here too?". I thought at least it might have a Chinese flavor to it, but no. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it ain't Peking duck. It's slave labor. Doesn't matter which country you are in.

Learn to recognize a good hagwon, eikaiwa, or whatever they call them in China from a bad one.
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Dude Ranch



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:


Learn to recognize a good hagwon, eikaiwa, or whatever they call them...from a bad one.


how?
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air76



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
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Wow...hakwon as #2. Haven't worked here long eh


Well, if you look, you will see I categorized hagwon jobs into 3 groupings on that list. I got a 2.5 hagwon job first time around and it was the best one I had actually compared to the Seoul one which was more like number 6.

The pay was the same, 2.5, but the environment was completely different.

Public school jobs aren't always that good, and now that you have to deskwarm, it really really sucks to teach only 22 hours but have to be at the school 40 hours.

With the RIGHT hagwon (I stress, RIGHT) you can do 25-28 hours and leave when you are finished teaching.

If you don't pick the RIGHT hagwon, then YOU YOURSELF probably haven't been in Korea long enough to pick the RIGHT ones. I have 5 schools in Japan, 2 hagwons, and 3 public schools in Korea (10 total) under my belt. I think I know what I am talking about, especially considering I am in China now and I am going into these interviews now thinking, "Oh the same crap is done here too?". I thought at least it might have a Chinese flavor to it, but no. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it ain't Peking duck. It's slave labor. Doesn't matter which country you are in.

Learn to recognize a good hagwon, eikaiwa, or whatever they call them in China from a bad one.


FAIL.

If you have been in Korea for so long why are you not working at a university? University jobs are leaps and bounds better than any other job in the market.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
how?


I already commented on this, and I provided a list outlining the type of job you want to look for. Find a small school where you work DIRECTLY with the owner. That's the main thing. The further your working relationship is with the owner, the more you will be treated like a slave.

Quote:
If you have been in Korea for so long why are you not working at a university?


I have never applied for a uni job. For personal reasons, my interests lie in working at a middle school. I tried a few times in Korea, but it never worked out in the final stages to get a middle school position.

I may return to Korea, but I am not really interested in a uni job in Korea. The main reason is that you can't teach privates. I would rather do this in Japan or China where I can get time off and teach privately.
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