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Recruitment agencies- the good, the bad, the ugly

 
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em79



Joined: 19 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:35 am    Post subject: Recruitment agencies- the good, the bad, the ugly Reply with quote

Hi everyone, i'm new to this.... me and my partner are looking to go and teach in S.Korea in the next couple of months.

We are both from UK and have CELTA certs. Can anyone recommend particular recruitment agencies?

is it best to deal with one based in UK or in Korea itself? Have people had good experiences with agencies- do they hekp you out with problems etc?

Thanks for your help.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruitment agencies- the good, the bad, the ugly Reply with quote

em79 wrote:
Hi everyone, i'm new to this.... me and my partner are looking to go and teach in S.Korea in the next couple of months.

We are both from UK and have CELTA certs. Can anyone recommend particular recruitment agencies?

is it best to deal with one based in UK or in Korea itself? Have people had good experiences with agencies- do they hekp you out with problems etc?

Thanks for your help.



Please let me repeat an old post of mine.
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Really, when it comes to a recruiter, who cares?

A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.

REPEAT: A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.

Hello Mr. English speaker this is Mr Hakwon owner.
Mr. hakwon owner, this is Mr. English speaker.
Mr. English speaker, here is the contract. Please read and sign.
School, here is the signed contract. Pay me.
Good bye.

-You are not paying them anything (or you shouldn't be).
-THEY DO NOT WORK FOR YOU! - They work for the school.
-They owe you nothing once you get here.
-They are not your friend.
-They are not your baby sitter.
-They cannot help you if things go to *beep* after you get here.


Beyond that it is YOUR responsibility to check the school out.

Do NOT trust ANY recruiter. They are like used car salesmen. They will lie and sell their soul to get the signature on the contract.

Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE in regards to the school or get burned.

Use the recruiters for what they are. Use more than one and keep going until you get what you want. There is no rush and there is certainly no shortage of jobs.

When it comes to the school - again - repeat - Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE.

1st - READ the contract over very carefully. If that doesn't scare you away then...

The best you can do is minimize the risk by talking to MORE THAN ONE of the foreign staff and ask POINTED AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS (*when the boss is NOT listening over their shoulder). Don't accept non-specific answers and broad generalizations.

No foreign staff references to talk (directly and via e-mail) to = walk away now.

Accept NO EXCUSES for any reason.

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em79



Joined: 19 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! ok thanks, i think i get the message! Smile Shocked
feeel like a lamb to the slaughter after reading a lot on here....do most people generally have positive experiences (with teching in korea in general) ?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

em79 wrote:
Wow! ok thanks, i think i get the message! Smile Shocked
feeel like a lamb to the slaughter after reading a lot on here....do most people generally have positive experiences (with teching in korea in general) ?


I think that most people, by-and-large, have positive experiences with teching in korea.

Once they get the hang of it they usually do pretty well teaching as well.

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Goon-Yang



Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Duh

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you read Dave's, most of us have terrible experiences. Then again Dave's is full of a bunch of crybabies with a bunch of extra time. Razz

This forum/board is not a proper population of teachers. The majority of teachers (there are over 10,000 of us) never post on Dave's and have a great time in Korea. It's the minority here you read about.

That being said

1) Check your school.
2) USE a recruiter if you must, they are using you, so use them.
3) Make sure you get all your paperwork done before you arrive and if you're going to travel get a multiple entry visa from the get-go.
4) MAke of Korea what you will. If you come here thinking you're going to hate it, you will.
5) This aint Kansas. There are times you're going to think WTF s goin on?
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em79



Joined: 19 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks, that's kind of what i thought/hoped, people usually tend to write more about negative experiences but dont represent the whole picture. i appreciate the advice on here though.

Just spent a year living & teaching in Mexico and though i know it's not the same, feel somewhat prepared for/open to the culture shock. anyway, I'm form England so if i went to Kansas I'd probably think WTF is going on?!
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eoneinna



Joined: 05 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest Ann from Korvia. YouniKorea was okay, too!
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bigclanger3



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also from the UK with a CELTA.
I applied to SMOE through Korea Connections. They're based in Vancouver and Korea.
They were very helpful, open and honest and they got me a public school job in my first year.
I would say it's worth getting in touch with them.
Many of my friends used Footprints and have nothing but praise for them too.

It is said you should only use one recrutier if applying for PS jobs as multiple applications will be ignored. I don't know how much truth there is to that though.

good luck
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bocceman



Joined: 30 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend Jessica from JJ Recruitment and Bonnie from OKRecruiting.

As a Korean-American I hate to say this, but other than the above two exceptions, I've generally had better experiences with Gyopo and Caucasian recruiters than with Korean recruiters. The Korean recruiters seem to be run in a very disorganized and adhoc way. They also seem to do a poor job matching up the right applicants with appropriate jobs.
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Dude Ranch



Joined: 04 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bocceman wrote:
The Korean recruiters seem to be run in a very disorganized and adhoc way. They also seem to do a poor job matching up the right applicants with appropriate jobs.


+1. This has been my experience too. It feels like you can't get any real information from them. They answer any questions with 'Yes, yes, yes, that is wonderpul' but it always seems like they are just saying that. It is hard to tell what they really mean.
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withgusto



Joined: 11 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always got the 'yes, yes, great' thing in CH too.

In mexico, manana....always manana. This isn't the mother land.
We adapt and overcome; hopefully.
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bsrosenfeld



Joined: 25 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: Find the Recruiter for You Reply with quote

I'm alarmed to read about people's experiences with their recruiters. I definitely came across some characters during the beginning of my search, but I was able to weed out those 'used car salesman' right from the beginning and stopped working with them
My recruiter was, has been and continues to be awesome. He was upfront and honest about the type of opportunities that would be best suited for me and provided candid advice at all times. Now that I am hear he follows up with me on a consistent basis and is even in the process of setting me up with a cellphone for free. At no point in time did I ever feel used or mistreated.
Yes, they do receive commission for placing you in your position, but the play a huge part in the application process. There were many time that I had questions for the Korean consulate, the airline or my future employer. All it took was a phone call or an e-mail (and he worked 24 hours a day it seemed) for him to find the answer.
Bottom line, do your homework, talk to as many recruiters as it takes and find the best one for you.

Good luck!
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Murakano



Joined: 10 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for Public School I recommend Korvia or Korea Connections who largely specialize in public schools only....and fairly reliable and respond to e-mails properly unlike so many others.

em79 wrote:
Wow! ok thanks, i think i get the message! Smile Shocked
feeel like a lamb to the slaughter after reading a lot on here....do most people generally have positive experiences (with teching in korea in general) ?



As for experiences......don't take what you read on Daves as gospel.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2347434&highlight=#2347434
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rookieglobetrotter



Joined: 19 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked with some recruiters, and the most personable ones I worked with are the ones from Access South Korea-Now or Ask-Now from Canada. I wasn't even working with the head guy Jason, but he always gave me honest advice and now I go to many of their large events. The other ones were decent but seemed like they were taking too many applicants on and didn't have time for my questions.
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Depths of My Soul



Joined: 04 Apr 2010
Location: In The Sun

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering whether to use a recruiter for EPIK, but think I'll try and apply direct.

I heard that in general, recruitment agencies don't give you any 'post arrival care or help', so was seriously doubting their usefulness (or lack of it).
Besides, being a UK citizen it seems extra silly for me to be passing on things to Canada or The States (where most of the recruiters seem to be based) to be passed back to Korea.

I figure that Chinese whispers can only create more confusion in the long run.
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