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Swampthing500
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| mises wrote: |
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They saw a group of armed insurgents. Why do you continue to ignore that fact? |
They saw what they wanted to see to have a nice afternoon gunning strangers down and chit chatting about it. |
Did you watch from 3.40 to 3.45 on the video I posted? It clearly shows an RPG launcher and an AK-47 being held. |
No. It. Does. Not. |
Yes. It. Does |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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There was a logical reason to see why it was connected, because the gunner was a deranged maggot psychopath who wanted to kill a few more innocents |
Much improved.
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Unless the enemy are wearing uniforms, nothing is 100% certain.
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I don't care. I expect more from anyone taking other people's lives into their hands, and so should you.
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| As it stands, the area was a combat zone ... |
You keep saying this, but the American army can just declare any area it wants a combat zone. It's not like the people who live there get a vote on the matter. What you seem to be saying is, "If an army declares where you live a combat zone, get out or else they're totally justified in murdering you at their discretion." Is that really the minimum standard you want to hold our army to?
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| The helicopter, which was supporting the troops, saw a group of armed men in the area. They made the right decision at the time. |
The fact that you consider killing non-combatants the "right decision" is horrific. |
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Swampthing500
Joined: 24 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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Unless the enemy are wearing uniforms, nothing is 100% certain.
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I don't care. I expect more from anyone taking other people's lives into their hands, and so should you.
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| As it stands, the area was a combat zone ... |
You keep saying this, but the American army can just declare any area it wants a combat zone. It's not like the people who live there get a vote on the matter. What you seem to be saying is, "If an army declares where you live a combat zone, get out or else they're totally justified in murdering you at their discretion." Is that really the minimum standard you want to hold our army to?
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| The helicopter, which was supporting the troops, saw a group of armed men in the area. They made the right decision at the time. |
The fact that you consider killing non-combatants the "right decision" is horrific. |
It was a combat zone. Bravo Company was operating in the area and had taken fire.
Also, look at this:
[IMG]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/1488/17546488.png[/IMG]
The guy to the top right of the man in the center is holding a long, thin object?
That my friends, it an RPG launcher |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| It was a combat zone. |
Anywhere the army wants to be a combat zone, is a combat zone. I don't care. Killing civilians isn't okay. Why don't you care that non-combatants were killed? Why are you defending this? |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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That's an awesome caption
"have five to six individuals with Ak's". The maggot is lying. He just wants to light up some Hajji's. |
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mises
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Swampthing500
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| It was a combat zone. |
Anywhere the army wants to be a combat zone, is a combat zone. I don't care. Killing civilians isn't okay. Why don't you care that non-combatants were killed? Why are you defending this? |
There is a difference between willingly killing civilians, and accidentally killing civilians who are mixed in with a group of hostiles.
The former is barbaric, and the second is just something that happens in war.
You are just taking the accidental killing and turning it into a something akin to a huge scandal, when the circumstances are understandable.
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| There is a difference between willingly killing civilians, and accidentally killing civilians who are mixed in with a group of hostiles. |
Killing civilians isn't okay.
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| You are just taking the accidental killing and turning it into a something akin to a huge scandal, when the circumstances are understandable and excusable. |
Innocent people needlessly died. Stop trivializing that. Why are you trying to justify this? Why are you trying to defend the American military gunning down civilians? |
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Swampthing500
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| There is a difference between willingly killing civilians, and accidentally killing civilians who are mixed in with a group of hostiles. |
Killing civilians isn't okay.
| Swampthing500 wrote: |
| You are just taking the accidental killing and turning it into a something akin to a huge scandal, when the circumstances are understandable and excusable. |
Innocent people needlessly died. Stop trivializing that. Why are you trying to justify this? Why are you trying to defend the American military gunning down civilians? |
As I said, there were some civilians amongst a group of armed insurgents, but the pilots and soldiers were not aware they were civilians. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| There is a difference between willingly killing civilians, and accidentally killing civilians who are mixed in with a group of hostiles. |
Killing civilians isn't okay.
| Swampthing500 wrote: |
| You are just taking the accidental killing and turning it into a something akin to a huge scandal, when the circumstances are understandable and excusable. |
Innocent people needlessly died. Stop trivializing that. Why are you trying to justify this? Why are you trying to defend the American military gunning down civilians? |
As I said, there were some civilians amongst a group of armed insurgents, but the pilots and soldiers were not aware they were civilians. |
If they weren't certain the crowd was clear of civilians, they should not have opened fire. The responsibility is 100% on their shoulders. Why are you defending this? |
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Swampthing500
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Swampthing500 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Swampthing500 wrote: |
| There is a difference between willingly killing civilians, and accidentally killing civilians who are mixed in with a group of hostiles. |
Killing civilians isn't okay.
| Swampthing500 wrote: |
| You are just taking the accidental killing and turning it into a something akin to a huge scandal, when the circumstances are understandable and excusable. |
Innocent people needlessly died. Stop trivializing that. Why are you trying to justify this? Why are you trying to defend the American military gunning down civilians? |
As I said, there were some civilians amongst a group of armed insurgents, but the pilots and soldiers were not aware they were civilians. |
If they weren't certain the crowd was clear of civilians, they should not have opened fire. The responsibility is 100% on their shoulders. Why are you defending this? |
Soldiers don't operate that way. If a threat is identified, their duty is to eliminate that threat.
If civilians are clearly seen, then the attack is cancelled. However, you cannot halt an attack on the possibility that the guy standing next to the dude holding an RPG might be a civilian. If that was the case, then nobody could attack anything. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Soldiers don't operate that way. If a threat is identified, their duty is to eliminate that threat. |
This is just another lame attempt to excuse the needless killing of civilians. The safety of innocents should be prioritized above the killing of insurgents on a soldier's list of priorities. Stop excusing the killing of innocents.
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| If civilians are clearly seen, then the attack is cancelled. |
Civilians were clearly seen in the video. The attack wasn't cancelled. You're just lying at this point. You're defending the needless killing of innocents, and lying to do it.
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| If that was the case, then nobody could attack anything. |
Good. We shouldn't be needlessly destabilizing other countries and killing people at great expense to our nation. Maybe that seems a-okay to you, but it's not. |
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Swampthing500
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| Soldiers don't operate that way. If a threat is identified, their duty is to eliminate that threat. |
This is just another lame attempt to excuse the needless killing of civilians. The safety of innocents should be prioritized above the killing of insurgents on a soldier's list of priorities. Stop excusing the killing of innocents.
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| If civilians are clearly seen, then the attack is cancelled. |
Civilians were clearly seen in the video. The attack wasn't cancelled. You're just lying at this point. You're defending the needless killing of innocents, and lying to do it. |
Nope. No civilians were clearly seen. What was seen was a bunch of guys holding Ak-47s and an RPG, and some people who were carrying things on their shoulder that could easily be interpreted as additional weapons.
It was sad that the reporters were killed, but at that point in time the pilots and soldiers made the right decision. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Nope. No civilians were clearly seen. |
I saw them. I doubt I'm substantially more perspicacious than the average soldier. Then again, I'm not a sociopath looking to gun people down, so I have an incentive to actually evaluate what I'm seeing instead of just shrugging it off as more insurgents to shoot.
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| It was sad that the reporters were killed, but at that point in time the pilots and soldiers made the right decision. |
No, they didn't, and attitudes like yours that condone the needless slaughter of innocents will just ensure it keeps happening. But I've little doubt that kind of appeal is wasted on you. People like you always just shrug off things like this until it touches them directly. What's a few innocents here or there, right? So long as it's not one of your family or friends, who cares, right? You say it's "sad" but that's a pathetic understatement. When a child scrapes his knee after falling down, it's sad. When members of our military gun down innocent men in a needless fashion, it's horrific. |
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