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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: Should More of Education Happen Online? |
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Article here.
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Deep within America's collective consciousness, there is a little red schoolhouse. Inside, obedient children sit in rows, eagerly absorbing lessons as a kind, wise teacher writes on the blackboard. Shiny apples are offered as tokens of respect and gratitude.
The reality of American education is often quite different. Beige classrooms are filled with note-passers and texters, who casually ignore teachers struggling to make it to the end of the 50-minute period. Smart kids are bored, and slower kids are left behind. Anxiety about standardized tests is high, and scores are consistently low. National surveys find that parents despair over the quality of education in the United States�and they're right to, as test results confirm again and again.
But just as most Americans disapprove of congressional shenanigans while harboring some affection for their own representative, parents tend to say that their child's teacher is pretty good. Most people have mixed feelings about their own school days, but our national romance with teachers is deep and long-standing. Which is why the idea of kids staring at computers instead of teachers makes parents and politicians extremely nervous.
However, it's time to take online education seriously�because we've tried everything else. Education Secretary Arne Duncan debuted his Blueprint for Reform this month to mixed reviews, joining at least 30 years' worth of government officials who have promised that this time, honest, they're going to fix education. Even the reforms promoted by the much-ballyhooed federal Race to the Top funds, which are supposed to encourage innovative educational practices, offer mostly marginal changes to the status quo. In an early March speech on technology in education, Duncan touted $500 million in new federal spending over 10 years to develop post-secondary online courses�an area of online education already thriving without federal assistance�thus arriving at the dance 15 years late and an awful lot more than a dollar short.
Since the Internet hit the big time in the mid-1990s, Amazon and eBay have changed the way we shop, Google has revolutionized the way we find information, Facebook has superseded other ways to keep track of friends and iTunes has altered how we consume music. But kids remain stuck in analog schools. Part of the reason online education hasn't taken off is that powerful forces such as teachers unions�which prefer to keep students in traditional classrooms under the supervision of their members�are aligned against it.
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It seems like this has a lot of potential. Interactive learning over a computer solves a lot of the problems with a traditional classroom environment (pacing issues, disruptive students, participation issues, etc), and could be much less costly as well.
During college I only took a single online course, but I found it to be of fairly high quality. Anyone here have substantially more experiences with online learning in general? |
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sqrlnutz123
Joined: 15 Jun 2009 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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I got my undergrad degree completely online (except for the science classes that required labs, although since then even some of those are offered online via virtual labs).
It was in many ways better than going to class because you could schedule your school around your life instead of the other way around, though the quality of the online classes varies tremendously between institutions and sometimes even between classes at the same institution. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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We have very deep feelings about education, I think, because it is a barometer for many of the successes and ills of our society. Thomas Friedman says that in every nation he's ever been, people think their school system is falling behind.
The problem is that improving education involves so many intangibles and solutions. One major difficulty to me is that we mythologize the teacher in abstract but we don't respect teachers or education in the specific. Teachers are overpaid whiners and their symbols are Miss Kerbappel and Principal Skinner. Education is something we do until we can take up more important jobs as supermodel and hip-hop gangster. Until education itself is valued, students aren't going to work harder because they have a customized program on a screen. We need better teachers, but as Bill Maher suggests, we also need better students and parents.
I don't think it's either-or. We can adapt to an internet world by having more activities and course materials online and by de-emphasizing the necessity for physical class space. But to me, replacing schoolrooms or lecture halls outright with electronic courses is throwing money at a problem rather than dealing intelligently with it. I'm not demeaning people who do online degrees.
But to apply this template to everyone, especially children or low-motivation students, would be foolhardy. What internet delivery does well is personalized and targeted information and course delivery. What it does poorly is building socialization skills, physical-motor skills, and discipline. Interactive text-bites and multimedia are wonderful for quick information. It is terrible for the sort of deep, linear thinking that web pages usually don't provide and books usually do. School systems can mix online and offline education, but to go whole hog online only makes IT people rich and results in fat, shallow thinkers who can't get along in a physical meeting.
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Beige classrooms are filled with note-passers and texters, who casually ignore teachers struggling to make it to the end of the 50-minute period. |
Sorry, I'm old-fashioned. Discipline and kick out the note-passers and texters. Report them to parents, and report the parents who won't take responsibility. There are times in the work world where sustained concentration is needed. The mania for multitasking is part our electronic reality but part an excuse for for not paying attention. Everyone wants to excuse bad students, whether by claiming ADHD or by now saying teachers are at fault for not teaching like a rock video. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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I am currently studying online for the second semester. I did my first semester in the classroom. The papers are the same I would be taking in class, the assesments are the same.
I email them as attachments instead of handing them in, but theres no real difference in the lessons. I am using the same books and I bought them like I would have for my sit down class.
I am not sure how the two exams will be handled, but my past lecturer said I would probably do them online. I like it, as it allows me to work at my own level and now takes up all the spare time I used to have twiddling my thumbs between classes and on empty days. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Definitely.
There is a mountain of content online. MIT, Berkeley and Yale have a good quality content. I'm using this guy http://khanacademy.org/ to brush up on stuff that I sucked at in high school eg calc and all of science.
The only trouble is, you still have to pay the big bucks to get the shiny piece of paper at the end. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Senior wrote: |
Definitely.
There is a mountain of content online. MIT, Berkeley and Yale have a good quality content. I'm using this guy http://khanacademy.org/ to brush up on stuff that I sucked at in high school eg calc and all of science. |
Hey, thanks for the link. I've been feeling like maybe I should take some refreshers on stuff I haven't really used since college (like calculus probability, and physics), and this seems like a good resource for it. |
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Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Fox wrote: |
Senior wrote: |
Definitely.
There is a mountain of content online. MIT, Berkeley and Yale have a good quality content. I'm using this guy http://khanacademy.org/ to brush up on stuff that I sucked at in high school eg calc and all of science. |
Hey, thanks for the link. I've been feeling like maybe I should take some refreshers on stuff I haven't really used since college (like calculus probability, and physics), and this seems like a good resource for it. |
Itunes U is great.
As is this.
http://mises.org/literature.aspx  |
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