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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Rolly eyes times a million. |
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| As I said earlier. Parking fines are becoming more and more about revenue. Some areas have quotas on parking fines. Even some police depts have secret quotas on fines. Some even wontonly seize property as the proceeds will go into police coffers. |
At least in New York, we are a little more reasonable about such things. It was only when the total owed by UPS to the Parking Violations Bureau reached $1 million that Mayor Giuliani's office sent a city marshall to JFK Airport to impound one of their planes.  |
It's marshal, not marshall. I did not know new york city had its own marshals until today, interesting. Apparently it is an unpaid position too.
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Rolly eyes times a million. |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
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| As I said earlier. Parking fines are becoming more and more about revenue. Some areas have quotas on parking fines. Even some police depts have secret quotas on fines. Some even wontonly seize property as the proceeds will go into police coffers. |
At least in New York, we are a little more reasonable about such things. It was only when the total owed by UPS to the Parking Violations Bureau reached $1 million that Mayor Giuliani's office sent a city marshall to JFK Airport to impound one of their planes. |
It's marshal, not marshall. |
I could very plausibly lie and say it was a typo, but it would be a lie. Thanks for that. Outside of typos, a misspelling for me is extremely rare.
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| I did not know new york city had its own marshals until today, interesting. Apparently it is an unpaid position too. |
It's: "I did not know New York City had its own marshals until today. Interesting. Apparently, it is an unpaid position, too." |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Rolly eyes times a million. |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
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| As I said earlier. Parking fines are becoming more and more about revenue. Some areas have quotas on parking fines. Even some police depts have secret quotas on fines. Some even wontonly seize property as the proceeds will go into police coffers. |
At least in New York, we are a little more reasonable about such things. It was only when the total owed by UPS to the Parking Violations Bureau reached $1 million that Mayor Giuliani's office sent a city marshall to JFK Airport to impound one of their planes. |
It's marshal, not marshall. |
I could very plausibly lie and say it was a typo, but it would be a lie. Thanks for that. Outside of typos, a misspelling for me is extremely rare.
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| I did not know new york city had its own marshals until today, interesting. Apparently it is an unpaid position too. |
It's: "I did not know New York City had its own marshals until today. Interesting. Apparently, it is an unpaid position, too." |
I know I was being petty. It is just a word that is commonly misspelled, and I see that word every day, so I felt compelled to correct it. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:30 am Post subject: |
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But it is difficult to recommend such a thing. A fudge here, a fudge there, and an institution of fudging is created.
It is better to amend the law for worthy exceptions than to modify the sincerity justly allotted to the enforcement of all laws. That way lies (more) corruption. |
No, no, no. Its called judicial discretion. That's when the judge steps in to keep rigid adherence to the law from leading to a perverse result. |
Alas, my friend, I would agree with you. However, by the time the ticketed and the ticketor both appear before a judge or magistrate, the cost of frivolous ordinance inquisitions has all ready been incurred.
After all, it is not whether the city is paid the fine or not that is the great burden, but it is the pursuit of the ticket that incurs the greatest cost.
But do we incur greater fines to justify the cost or do we allow parking anarchy, a Darwinian display of intense territorially combat between massive Avenue Buffalo and their direst competitor, the Streetelope?
If governance were so easy then governors would be obsolete. What a shame would that be! |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| .38 Special wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
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But it is difficult to recommend such a thing. A fudge here, a fudge there, and an institution of fudging is created.
It is better to amend the law for worthy exceptions than to modify the sincerity justly allotted to the enforcement of all laws. That way lies (more) corruption. |
No, no, no. Its called judicial discretion. That's when the judge steps in to keep rigid adherence to the law from leading to a perverse result. |
Alas, my friend, I would agree with you. However, by the time the ticketed and the ticketor both appear before a judge or magistrate, the cost of frivolous ordinance inquisitions has all ready been incurred.
After all, it is not whether the city is paid the fine or not that is the great burden, but it is the pursuit of the ticket that incurs the greatest cost.
But do we incur greater fines to justify the cost or do we allow parking anarchy, a Darwinian display of intense territorially combat between massive Avenue Buffalo and their direst competitor, the Streetelope?
If governance were so easy then governors would be obsolete. What a shame would that be! |
Just let private businesses own the parking spots. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Alas, my friend, I would agree with you. However, by the time the ticketed and the ticketor both appear before a judge or magistrate, the cost of frivolous ordinance inquisitions has all ready been incurred.
After all, it is not whether the city is paid the fine or not that is the great burden, but it is the pursuit of the ticket that incurs the greatest cost.
But do we incur greater fines to justify the cost or do we allow parking anarchy, a Darwinian display of intense territorially combat between massive Avenue Buffalo and their direst competitor, the Streetelope?
If governance were so easy then governors would be obsolete. What a shame would that be! |
I was in the parking ticket business for awhile, and in New York City, that is a BIG business. Approximately 10 million parking summonses are issued each year. With the typical ticket costing $110 before fines, late fees, and interest, you can see just how big it is.
I got interested in the business initially as a driver who hated to get and pay parking tickets. So I began to fight them. It was a hassle as I'd have to appear and state my case, but I got pretty good at it and at one point had a streak of 13 straight tickets dismissed!
I went to work for a company that fought parking tickets. We represented everyone from Average Joe Driver to entire fleets of taxis, limos, and trucks. I had to prepare the tickets for hearing before magistrates. During my time there I fought about 30,000 tickets and won reductions or dismissals about 2/3 of the time.
With all these tickets given in NYC (more than one per resident per year), driving through Manhattan can be a nightmare. From my experience, I came to realize that if there were not so many expensive tickets issued, the flow of traffic and hence commerce in Manhattan during weekdays would come to a crawl. They are vital to keeping the city running.
On Sept. 11, 2001, I had double-parked in front of my house amidst all the confusion. When I spoke to the officer who had just written the ticket, I said, "But we are under terrorist attack!" to which he replied, "That's why we need the lanes clear." He was right. (But I still beat the ticket!) |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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Alas, my friend, I would agree with you. However, by the time the ticketed and the ticketor both appear before a judge or magistrate, the cost of frivolous ordinance inquisitions has all ready been incurred.
After all, it is not whether the city is paid the fine or not that is the great burden, but it is the pursuit of the ticket that incurs the greatest cost.
But do we incur greater fines to justify the cost or do we allow parking anarchy, a Darwinian display of intense territorially combat between massive Avenue Buffalo and their direst competitor, the Streetelope?
If governance were so easy then governors would be obsolete. What a shame would that be! |
I was in the parking ticket business for awhile, and in New York City, that is a BIG business. Approximately 10 million parking summonses are issued each year. With the typical ticket costing $110 before fines, late fees, and interest, you can see just how big it is.
I got interested in the business initially as a driver who hated to get and pay parking tickets. So I began to fight them. It was a hassle as I'd have to appear and state my case, but I got pretty good at it and at one point had a streak of 13 straight tickets dismissed!
I went to work for a company that fought parking tickets. We represented everyone from Average Joe Driver to entire fleets of taxis, limos, and trucks. I had to prepare the tickets for hearing before magistrates. During my time there I fought about 30,000 tickets and won reductions or dismissals about 2/3 of the time.
With all these tickets given in NYC (more than one per resident per year), driving through Manhattan can be a nightmare. From my experience, I came to realize that if there were not so many expensive tickets issued, the flow of traffic and hence commerce in Manhattan during weekdays would come to a crawl. They are vital to keeping the city running.
On Sept. 11, 2001, I had double-parked in front of my house amidst all the confusion. When I spoke to the officer who had just written the ticket, I said, "But we are under terrorist attack!" to which he replied, "That's why we need the lanes clear." He was right. (But I still beat the ticket!) |
That was an interesting story, thank you.
I wonder what the real profit the tickets are to revenue, and if they could be potentially be cheaper. But it sounds like NYC has a lot of experience in the business of regulating traffic movement through managed parking.
I would go bankrupt living in a city. Out here in "the sticks," we park where we please.  |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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I would go bankrupt living in a city. Out here in "the sticks," we park where we please. |
yeah, thats why many of us ditch our cars when moving into a city. Just not worth the cost. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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I would go bankrupt living in a city. Out here in "the sticks," we park where we please. |
yeah, thats why many of us ditch our cars when moving into a city. Just not worth the cost. |
As one friend once advised me,
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