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Paladin Brewer



Joined: 25 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Need some second opinions Reply with quote

Hello,

I have an issue here and I'm not sure what to do. I've been unemployed for a while, so I am desperate for a job, but I do not think I am this desperate. Basically, I was supposed to have a job with GEPIK at Gapyong High School. It is a rural area, but I checked it out and it looks nice, and I was fine with working there. I sent them a signed contract yesterday, that would not arrive until Tuesday.

Today I received a contract from them, signed by me and stamped by them. Except, it isn't signed by me. They forged my signature. Now, they are in a hurry, I understand that, and I would have been willing to let that pass. However, the location no longer says Gapyong High School, it says Jojong High School. I have no idea where that is and am unable to find information. This makes me think this might be a rather crappy area.

So like I said, I really need a job, but Im not sure I need one this bad.
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sesyeux



Joined: 20 Jul 2009
Location: king 'arrys

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you do not need any job this badly!
not only warning bells, but flashing lights and loud hailers should be screaming 'get out!', seriously
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Ebrown



Joined: 14 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. That's messed up. Don't go near that brand of crazy.
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Aoisagi



Joined: 21 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paladin Brewer -> May you indicate who is your recruiter? I got a similar offer with a Gapyong high school. If you don't want to share it publicly, do you have enough posts to PM me?
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Paladin Brewer



Joined: 25 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was HandS Korea
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Aoisagi



Joined: 21 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah. I'm sorry to hear about that though. I guess this is a bait and switch? I'd look elsewhere.
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Paladin Brewer



Joined: 25 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Ive been trying to get a job in Japan for a long time, then I gave up and figured I'd try Korea. Now I think I'll just get some IT Certifications and stay in the US, nothing is worth this crap.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the Webpage for Jojong High School, if this helps any:
http://www.jojong.hs.kr
According to the address at the bottom of the page, it's in Gyeonggi province.
It must be a small town, because the Google search brought up a Jojong Elementary School and a Jojong Middle School but no other schools in Jojong.

The next higher political unit in the address is Gapyeong-gun.
I looked that up, and it seems to be a rural area.
It's at the corner of highways 55 and 60.
All I can find is a Web page for their Farmer's Coop, a Web page for their education office, and some pretty landscape pictures.
The closest big city is Chuncheon, which is to the east.


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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paladin Brewer wrote:
Yeah, Ive been trying to get a job in Japan for a long time, then I gave up and figured I'd try Korea. Now I think I'll just get some IT Certifications and stay in the US, nothing is worth this crap.


If you think that was crap wait till you get to Asia. It certainly ain't Kansas.

And just a side note: most people in GEPIK don't know what school they are going to until the last day of orientation.

What happened was wrong but not a surprise. It may well have been that the schools in question didn't get their "NET" from GEPIK directly so they tried to use a recruiter. Then they find that they have 2 or 3 teachers for 1 position... you simply get shifted to another PS.

To them it makes no difference. You wanted a PS position and were willing to accept a rural area. That is what you got.

Actually, from where you are sitting back in the states it probably isn't any different either... you honestly have no real clue about either of the schools or the areas they are located in. They are just names on a piece of paper to you.

In REAL terms, the contracts and job particulars would be the same. Housing would be similar. Pay and benefits are the same. Hours of work are the same. It is in fact the same employer (Gyeonggi provincial office of education) and they can move you from one school to another if they want/need to. All it would take is a little paperwork between them and immigration.

What happened was not nice but it is not uncommon either.

If that really bothers you then Korea or most of Asia for that matter is NOT the place you want to head for. There are far more frustrating things that you will have to deal with than this.

Just my humble and uneducated opinion.

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English Matt



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Paladin Brewer wrote:
Yeah, Ive been trying to get a job in Japan for a long time, then I gave up and figured I'd try Korea. Now I think I'll just get some IT Certifications and stay in the US, nothing is worth this crap.


If you think that was crap wait till you get to Asia. It certainly ain't Kansas.

And just a side note: most people in GEPIK don't know what school they are going to until the last day of orientation.


What happened was wrong but not a surprise. It may well have been that the schools in question didn't get their "NET" from GEPIK directly so they tried to use a recruiter. Then they find that they have 2 or 3 teachers for 1 position... you simply get shifted to another PS.

To them it makes no difference. You wanted a PS position and were willing to accept a rural area. That is what you got.

Actually, from where you are sitting back in the states it probably isn't any different either... you honestly have no real clue about either of the schools or the areas they are located in. They are just names on a piece of paper to you.

In REAL terms, the contracts and job particulars would be the same. Housing would be similar. Pay and benefits are the same. Hours of work are the same. It is in fact the same employer (Gyeonggi provincial office of education) and they can move you from one school to another if they want/need to. All it would take is a little paperwork between them and immigration.

What happened was not nice but it is not uncommon either.

If that really bothers you then Korea or most of Asia for that matter is NOT the place you want to head for. There are far more frustrating things that you will have to deal with than this.

Just my humble and uneducated opinion.

.


This, unless things have changed very recently, is not true. This is how it works with SMOE but not with GEPIK. GEPIK recruitees know which school they will be teaching at before they leave for Korea. Recently, all schools were supposed to have been banned from dealing directly with recruiters, with recruiters having to deal directly with the Provincial Office of Education.

I would imagine that what ttompatz said about having 2 or 3 teachers for 1 position is true, and that the staff at the Gyeonggi-do POE probably shifted you to a new school.

You said you wanted 'rural'. In my opinion, rural Gyeonggi-do is very samey.....I shouldn't imagine that this new town will be much different to the old town. Have you tried Google Earthing it?
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languistic



Joined: 25 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gapyong is a nice area, but yes, rural. It is near a major MT spot for many universities and is quite a hopping little place (Gangchon, as was said earlier proper) on the weekends....it rivals anything in Seoul during the summer months. As for schools, again, it is in the country, so there are not a lot of schools in the area, Jojong, Gapyong...they will be pretty much the same.

Also remember that these country schools can be heaven of hell in their un-knowingness regarding certain policies; I worked in the country for 6 years (Kyonggi-do, near Gapyong) and was afforded many luxuries as a result of the isolation. It means that inspectors, etc will not be dropping in unannounced, and makes the principal more of a 'decider' on some issues that are typically cemented. I had long vacations (I initialed many days where I wasn't actually there), no 'face time' - if I had no classes, I went home - and a voice regarding policy. Now, this can also go the other way; the principal can be a tyrant and make no concessions for you. At worst, this may mean that your contract rules, and that is fine, so long as you are happy with what you signed.

I encourage anyone in the country to get the principal and vice on your team ASAP. They can do a lot for you out in the sticks. All in all, it was a great time, but then, I had a car (commuting) and was living in Chuncheon. Get some wheels...it helps to make one feel less isolated. Small school = small classes, students who appreciate you coming to their location, parents who likewise go to lengths to show you their appreciation, a small group of coworkers who are often quite familial and supportive; the country schools are often a proving ground for fresh graduates; the staff is usually quite young and fun. All in all, a great vibe, good kids, good learning and a lot of perks. Experiences may vary, but this is mine.
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toadkillerdog



Joined: 11 Nov 2009
Location: Daejeon. ROK

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go for it. Your only out a year if it sucks real bad.
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Oliver



Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go for it. A public school gig is good out here. You'll get paid on time and you'll probably save a fair bit too. Also, youll be able to work on your Korean in your spare time.

It's an experience.
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Paladin Brewer



Joined: 25 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I was really set into Gapyong because I was told it was a nice place for hiking, skiiing etc, and I was really into the whole nature thing. This new place that I wasn't even told I was being changed to, I am unable to find much of anything. I know a previous poster said it was near 55/60, but I looked on googlemaps and still did not see it. I guess I have some concern that if I can't find any pictures or information, I'm going to be stuck in a twig shag in a 3 building 1 road town Laughing

EDIT: On top of that, what about them forging my contract? If they are so easily willing to forge my contract, what else are they going to forge my name on?
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paladin Brewer wrote:
Well I was really set into Gapyong because I was told it was a nice place for hiking, skiiing etc, and I was really into the whole nature thing. This new place that I wasn't even told I was being changed to, I am unable to find much of anything. I know a previous poster said it was near 55/60, but I looked on googlemaps and still did not see it. I guess I have some concern that if I can't find any pictures or information, I'm going to be stuck in a twig shag in a 3 building 1 road town Laughing

EDIT: On top of that, what about them forging my contract? If they are so easily willing to forge my contract, what else are they going to forge my name on?


http://map.naver.com/local/company_view.nhn?code=11556651

http://www.jojong.hs.kr/sub01/main.php?board_id=110

Looks like the two schools are fairly close to each other, probably meaning nothing, or everything. It could be the best place to work here, or the worst. Looks like the area is a smaller town called Hamyeon. Looks like you'd be surrounded by golf/country clubs. Don't know if that's good or bad. If nothing else, it'll likely beat Seoul and Busan, hands down, in the pollution department.

The forging of the contract? Honestly, doesn't surprise me much. I've been here more than 12 years and my most recent bankbook has my signature cut out of a contract I signed pasted into the actual bankbook. Having said that, I've not had any issues with the bank,...yet.
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