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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: Another foreigner in Korea gives us a black eye |
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Look, I understand that this may be an attempt at humor in 10 magazine, but what it says about the attitudes of "waygookin" is definitely not true of foreigners in Korea or of Americans. He uses "we" when he should be CLEAR that it's just about him. If he wants to put something like this on his blog then that's fine but when a magazine for expats posts it, that's just in bad taste.
http://10magazine.asia/3486/damn-it-feels-good-to-be-a-foreigner/
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I have accidentally gone to the head of a line, unknowingly cutting in front of dozens of people, only to be told �Uh, it�s okay, just go in.� They smile at me the same way you would a child. The smile says �Aww, he doesn�t know any better. How cute.� It must be nice to be an attractive woman and get this kind of VIP treatment everywhere. Being sexy (foreign) means never having to say I�m sorry.
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When I realized I had these new found powers, I wanted to push the limits. Like Peter Parker waking up to realize he was different, I wanted to crawl up some proverbial walls. Basically, I wanted to see what I could get away with. The answer is: a lot. I�ve always known that getting forgiveness is always much easier than asking for permission, but this was ridiculous.
�I don�t think we can go in that door.� It�s okay, we�re foreigners. �Those seats are reserved.� It�s okay, we�re foreigners. �We have to buy food if we want beer.� It�s okay, we�re foreigners. Living here I have free rein to ignore local laws, customs and all social etiquette. I have never felt more American in my life.
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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He sounds like an arse. |
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sesyeux
Joined: 20 Jul 2009 Location: king 'arrys
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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sounds like he needs a kick up the arse more like |
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OBwannabe
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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I hear what you're saying, but I took it as touch-in-cheek. Although, haven't WE all experienced preferential treatment here at times soley because we are foreign? Well, those of us of the caucasian persuasian anyway? Can't speak for others.
I've gone to the hair shop and been pushed ahead of the queue because I'm a white male. Recieved extra "service" at restaurants for the same reason. Actually have had dinners and drinks paid by strangers for the same reason. The list goes on.
On the other hand, I've been ignored and mistreated my fair share of times do to my foreigness.
I didn't really care for him saying that he, "pushed the limits" of his , "new found powers". I was hoping it was an exaggeration to make the article more interesting. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like Charisma Man finally decided to write his own article! |
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ChilgokBlackHole
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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10 Magazine has no journalistic integrity. I wouldn't be surprised if the editor himself is just making the whole thing up, like he did with the results of the blogger poll. |
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waseige1

Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: LOL |
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ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
10 Magazine has no journalistic integrity. I wouldn't be surprised if the editor himself is just making the whole thing up, like he did with the results of the blogger poll. |
Amen.... they knowingly decided to upset ALL the readers of the second most popular blog in Korea. No MBA talent over there. |
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salgichawa
Joined: 18 Mar 2010
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Another foreigner in Korea gives us a black eye |
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wylies99 wrote: |
Look, I understand that this may be an attempt at humor in 10 magazine, but what it says about the attitudes of "waygookin" is definitely not true of foreigners in Korea or of Americans. He uses "we" when he should be CLEAR that it's just about him. If he wants to put something like this on his blog then that's fine but when a magazine for expats posts it, that's just in bad taste.
http://10magazine.asia/3486/damn-it-feels-good-to-be-a-foreigner/
Here's a sample-
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I have accidentally gone to the head of a line, unknowingly cutting in front of dozens of people, only to be told �Uh, it�s okay, just go in.� They smile at me the same way you would a child. The smile says �Aww, he doesn�t know any better. How cute.� It must be nice to be an attractive woman and get this kind of VIP treatment everywhere. Being sexy (foreign) means never having to say I�m sorry.
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When I realized I had these new found powers, I wanted to push the limits. Like Peter Parker waking up to realize he was different, I wanted to crawl up some proverbial walls. Basically, I wanted to see what I could get away with. The answer is: a lot. I�ve always known that getting forgiveness is always much easier than asking for permission, but this was ridiculous.
�I don�t think we can go in that door.� It�s okay, we�re foreigners. �Those seats are reserved.� It�s okay, we�re foreigners. �We have to buy food if we want beer.� It�s okay, we�re foreigners. Living here I have free rein to ignore local laws, customs and all social etiquette. I have never felt more American in my life.
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Hi There,
Stay tuned for entry number two next month: Damn it feels bad to be a foreigner...
Turns out that K princess he was seeing is seeing someone her family have picked out just for her. They will get married. He is not invited to the wedding. They are relieved she did not end up marrying the 'unworthy' foreigner. She was seeing them at the same time only didn't want to tell him.
Tables have turned at the guys place of work and things have just gone downhill from there. Talking with them and seeing there is no chance for change he is now looking at pulling a runner in his eleventh month. Also he is not sure if he can re-enter Korea due to circumstances with the K girl family, law and visa.
While he was treated like a king in the land of the morning calm...it came as quickly as it went.
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... |
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THE CANDY COLOURED CLOWN
Joined: 09 Apr 2010 Location: In dreams I walk with you
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Another foreigner in Korea gives us a black eye |
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salgichawa wrote: |
wylies99 wrote: |
Look, I understand that this may be an attempt at humor in 10 magazine, but what it says about the attitudes of "waygookin" is definitely not true of foreigners in Korea or of Americans. He uses "we" when he should be CLEAR that it's just about him. If he wants to put something like this on his blog then that's fine but when a magazine for expats posts it, that's just in bad taste.
http://10magazine.asia/3486/damn-it-feels-good-to-be-a-foreigner/
Here's a sample-
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I have accidentally gone to the head of a line, unknowingly cutting in front of dozens of people, only to be told �Uh, it�s okay, just go in.� They smile at me the same way you would a child. The smile says �Aww, he doesn�t know any better. How cute.� It must be nice to be an attractive woman and get this kind of VIP treatment everywhere. Being sexy (foreign) means never having to say I�m sorry.
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When I realized I had these new found powers, I wanted to push the limits. Like Peter Parker waking up to realize he was different, I wanted to crawl up some proverbial walls. Basically, I wanted to see what I could get away with. The answer is: a lot. I�ve always known that getting forgiveness is always much easier than asking for permission, but this was ridiculous.
�I don�t think we can go in that door.� It�s okay, we�re foreigners. �Those seats are reserved.� It�s okay, we�re foreigners. �We have to buy food if we want beer.� It�s okay, we�re foreigners. Living here I have free rein to ignore local laws, customs and all social etiquette. I have never felt more American in my life.
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Hi There,
Stay tuned for entry number two next month: Damn it feels bad to be a foreigner...
Turns out that K princess he was seeing is seeing someone her family have picked out just for her. They will get married. He is not invited to the wedding. They are relieved she did not end up marrying the 'unworthy' foreigner. She was seeing them at the same time only didn't want to tell him.
Tables have turned at the guys place of work and things have just gone downhill from there. Talking with them and seeing there is no chance for change he is now looking at pulling a runner in his eleventh month. Also he is not sure if he can re-enter Korea due to circumstances with the K girl family, law and visa.
While he was treated like a king in the land of the morning calm...it came as quickly as it went.
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... |
Exactamundo.. Calls to mind the old Korean proverb -
'After three days both fish and visitors begin to smell bad.' |
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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes it's pretty sweet being foreign, but even cute girls get passed by taxis when it's raining, due to racism. I had to run one down one morning, get in, and refuse to get out until he took me to work. It was raining, I was sick and I shook my head and kept telling him in Korean to take me to my work. His taxi light was on. It was his duty. He gave in after I refused to budge. |
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THE CANDY COLOURED CLOWN
Joined: 09 Apr 2010 Location: In dreams I walk with you
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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NYC_Gal wrote: |
Sometimes it's pretty sweet being foreign, but even cute girls get passed by taxis when it's raining, due to racism. I had to run one down one morning, get in, and refuse to get out until he took me to work. It was raining, I was sick and I shook my head and kept telling him in Korean to take me to my work. His taxi light was on. It was his duty. He gave in after I refused to budge. |
I bet he was from a different district / town in which case he had no duty to you whatsoever. They don't pick up in different towns in Korea they only pick up from and then take fares returning to the town they are registered from. He probably met his cabbie mates after and shook his head in frustration and complianed about the rude, angry foriegner after he dropped you off.... |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'd say the 'Charisma Man' thing is getting less and less these days......Koreans are getting used to us.
In fact, it was always a bit of myth......I always found I was treated very normally by Korean service staff unless I actually tried to take a liberty (like the writer the OP links). Koreans being polite, or not knowing English, or being shy and not wanting to make a fuss, would tend to go along with what the demanding foreigner wants......but often they don't.
These days, I only find it effective when driving and I want to go in front of someone. Stick that big-nosed, Shrek-like face out the window and the usually oblivious Korean driver always gives me a polite nod and lets me go first....well, except for most ajumma who never even look at other drivers. |
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Dr. Whom
Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Erm, yeah. Gotta keep our imagee polished. Everyone knows that
ESL workers were on track to become surgeons, physicists and renowned
mathematicians before coming to Korea (magnet for people with
outstanding educations and career opportunities).
Get over yourself OP. Koreans know exactly what we are and how
easily we can be replaced. Criteria for an ESL worker:
1/ Crap degree in anything
2/ No experience in anything
3/ White skin
4/ Preferably with no knowledge of Korea so they will work in the sticks |
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THE CANDY COLOURED CLOWN
Joined: 09 Apr 2010 Location: In dreams I walk with you
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Whom wrote: |
Erm, yeah. Gotta keep our imagee polished. Everyone knows that
ESL workers were on track to become surgeons, physicists and renowned
mathematicians before coming to Korea (magnet for people with
outstanding educations and career opportunities).
Get over yourself OP. Koreans know exactly what we are and how
easily we can be replaced. Criteria for an ESL worker:
1/ Crap degree in anything
2/ No experience in anything
3/ White skin
4/ Preferably with no knowledge of Korea so they will work in the sticks |
Reminds me off the scene in the office where the Indian salesman tells Mike that he was a doctor back home and Mike says
'I wonder what I would have been back home... probably a head surgeon or something...'
the Indan guy says
'this is your home...'
Funny. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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THE CANDY COLOURED CLOWN wrote: |
NYC_Gal wrote: |
Sometimes it's pretty sweet being foreign, but even cute girls get passed by taxis when it's raining, due to racism. I had to run one down one morning, get in, and refuse to get out until he took me to work. It was raining, I was sick and I shook my head and kept telling him in Korean to take me to my work. His taxi light was on. It was his duty. He gave in after I refused to budge. |
I bet he was from a different district / town in which case he had no duty to you whatsoever. They don't pick up in different towns in Korea they only pick up from and then take fares returning to the town they are registered from. He probably met his cabbie mates after and shook his head in frustration and complianed about the rude, angry foriegner after he dropped you off.... |
Hi. You must be new to these boards.
You must understand that many people here apparently possess vast powers of precognition and telepathy and therefore they know beyond a doubt that every little thing that doesn't go their way is due to racism. Only racism and never anything else. |
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