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nosmallplans
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 Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:12 am Post subject: ATTN: Fellow Americans RE: Koreans Hating On Our Meat |
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I saw this movie yesterday and after watching it find Korea's lack of faith in our domestically produced meat somewhat more reasonable.
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coralreefer_1
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: |
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I will surely watch the movie when I can get it.(only seen the trailer so far) However in regards to your comments I will spur the conversation with this thought....
Is the Korean agricultural industry's goal any different? A business is a business and an industry is an industry..and all will do whatever it takes to increase the profit margin. Given the same access to cutting edge agricultural technology on a large-scale basis..would the Korean food industry do anything differently? |
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Sleepy in Seoul
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Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| 'hating on'? What does that mean? Hating forwards? Hating on top of? |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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OP, you're a couple years late with the "Death to America and its beef" protests. Did you watch the MBC show about downer cattle and how Koreans can die from one bite of American beef?  Feel free to quote from it.
BTW, enjoy American beef along with all of your Korean friends. It's available and everyone loves it, but many won't admit that fact.  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Beef is Beef. All I care about is that it is juicy, tender, tasty, and deadly parasite free. 99% of all beef is in that category OR all has some sort of deadly microscopic brain worm that we are all already dead from anyways. |
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nosmallplans
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
OP, you're a couple years late with the "Death to America and its beef" protests. Did you watch the MBC show about downer cattle and how Koreans can die from one bite of American beef? Feel free to quote from it.
BTW, enjoy American beef along with all of your Korean friends. It's available and everyone loves it, but many won't admit that fact. |
Yeah, I realize I'm pretty late but it's a bit of a continual thing, too, eh? |
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nosmallplans
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Beef is Beef. All I care about is that it is juicy, tender, tasty, and deadly parasite free. 99% of all beef is in that category OR all has some sort of deadly microscopic brain worm that we are all already dead from anyways. |
Well, that's what we assume right? If there is one bad cow in the entire US supply of beef then that's just one bad hamburger out of how many hundreds of millions. But that's not how it works. There is no more than a dozen slaughter houses in the entire United States and any given hamburger patty that rolls across your dinner plate could have a hundred different cows mixed into it.
Sure, the chances of getting a bad burger is still low, but now that one bad cow is spread out over potentially hundreds if not thousands of hamburgers. Scary stuff.
Look guys, I'm not saying that the anti-American beef sentiment is good, I'm just saying that I learned a lot of stuff that made it seem a tad bit more reasonable. |
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nosmallplans
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
I will surely watch the movie when I can get it.(only seen the trailer so far) However in regards to your comments I will spur the conversation with this thought....
Is the Korean agricultural industry's goal any different? A business is a business and an industry is an industry..and all will do whatever it takes to increase the profit margin. Given the same access to cutting edge agricultural technology on a large-scale basis..would the Korean food industry do anything differently? |
The Korean agricultural industry isn't industrialized the way America's is. If you ever go out to the country side you'll see that it's still dominated by small land owners. I hesitate to say more as I'm pretty ignorant of how this all works so I'll leave that up to the movie or another poster who can explain why this is better. |
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coralreefer_1
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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I agree and that was essentially my point. Maybe I misunderstood your statement in the OP, but it came across to me like it was ok to slam the American agricultural industry for such practices as if other nations and other industries do not do the same things.
I have in fact been out to the Korean countryside..particularly during the protest years to see firsthand how Korean cattle was raised. I have to say that although I did not see any 10,000 animal farms or vast processing centers, the conditions on those farms were not much different as far as filth and health conditions of the animals. Animals packed into tiny stalls, as many as possible, barely enough room to turn around, nowhere for them to be released out to walk, standing in their own feces just like the film.
So what I was hinting at, was IF the Korean agricultural industry was as large and advanced as the American one, should we expect the Korean industry to not pursue profit and to meet consumer demand for more/cheaper/faster and not to sacrifice health and safety of the animal or the product to meet that demand?
I suppose its a questions that can't be answered here, but just saying that while the film makes the industry look like a wicked, greedy giant..the same is true for many industries in many countries.
| nosmallplans wrote: |
| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
I will surely watch the movie when I can get it.(only seen the trailer so far) However in regards to your comments I will spur the conversation with this thought....
Is the Korean agricultural industry's goal any different? A business is a business and an industry is an industry..and all will do whatever it takes to increase the profit margin. Given the same access to cutting edge agricultural technology on a large-scale basis..would the Korean food industry do anything differently? |
The Korean agricultural industry isn't industrialized the way America's is. If you ever go out to the country side you'll see that it's still dominated by small land owners. I hesitate to say more as I'm pretty ignorant of how this all works so I'll leave that up to the movie or another poster who can explain why this is better. |
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Forever
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Faster, Fatter, Bigger, Bigger profit - thats what most companies are all about - not just the Food industry.
Sure with the food industry its more frightening - when you look at the facts - because the food goes into YOUR body (and your families bodies.
However, Korean people talking unfounded trash about American beef, is pathetic, as Korean beef is not even tested. It fails to meet the requirements that American beef passes through. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Food, Inc. was great. One of the few movies I've actually seen on release day in theaters in the past five years. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ach don't worry OP people will get over it. I remember Americans and Europeans taking snipes at British beef back in the day of BSE and all those shenanigans.
It's just bloody meat, not a national symbol. No need to stake (or is that steak?) any national pride on it.
When anyone said anything to me about beef I just shrugged and told them that if they're that concerned then don't eat it. I sure as hell didn't. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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I think people are just way oversensitive when it comes to food sanitation.
The rules for meat have always stayed the same- if it looks green/blue and smells weird, probably not safe to eat. If it looks red and fresh, cook it through and through.
If it falls on the floor, pick it up, wash it off, cook it an extra minute and enjoy the fact that you saved 7 bucks on that steak, aren't a sissy, and and maybe built up some resistance to a few microorganisms.
Germs? That's what cooking is for. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I think people are just way oversensitive when it comes to food sanitation.
The rules for meat have always stayed the same- if it looks green/blue and smells weird, probably not safe to eat. If it looks red and fresh, cook it through and through.
If it falls on the floor, pick it up, wash it off, cook it an extra minute and enjoy the fact that you saved 7 bucks on that steak, aren't a sissy, and and maybe built up some resistance to a few microorganisms.
Germs? That's what cooking is for. |
+ 1.
Industrial food is many orders of magnitude safer and more convenient than raising and butchering animals yourself. Or growing your own vegetables or twinkies or what ever. As our ancestors had to do (well not the twinkies part, they baked sweets). The industrialization of food has made us better off in so many ways, that it seems pathetic to quibble over a few areas that will probably improve, if the market signals for them to improve. |
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MalFSU1
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