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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: Korean PS teachers are contract for only 20 hours |
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A bit of a rant, but also valid in my perspective. I'm contracted for 22 hours, but teach 30 and find myself a bit too busy. Not only am I squeezing for lesson planning, I'm also being asked to rewrite lesson plans after they were taught as for them to reflect what actually occured for whatever reasons uknown. This seems to be unecessarily eating up more time and then I'm being told to do more things without ever any appreciation regardless of effort and performance. Now my little computer room has turned into an afterschool classroom for my co-teachers to use as well as a library with Touch and Play boards during the few free hours I have which leaves me with a noisy chaotic environment to do my sit down work such as lesson planning. It's getting busier in the past 2 weeks with never a quiet moment. I constantly have lots of noise and kids bugging me at my computer any time I sit which is about 1 to 2 hours a day. This leaves me growing a bit unthankful and unhappy in my work.
Sure Korean teachers have many things to do I don't have and also have small children of their own, but I find it's stupid to rewrite lesson plans that will never be used again as well as over schedule the English Zone instead of physically expanding to meet their goals.
The other issue is I can not ever predict how the Korean teachers are going to teach or what they are going to teach as they always inconsistently work so I can not effectively lesson plan nor teach what I thought to write. It's tiring and they are tired too. Probably more so than I am, but a school this large with 800 students might consider 2 Enlish rooms, 2 foreign teachers, and 4 Korean co-teachers which I suggested, but any thing I say means nothing. They do put a high priority on curriculum and are a well structured school where it's always a busy routine and no play. There isn't a playground nor recess periods so kids just go nutz in the common areas between classes and during lunch. Their kids and kids need some freedom to be theirselves and especially so since we are taking an approach to teach individualism and open thinking through teaching in a happy way rather than a strict military old school style.
Being that I was recently asked to teach American culture for afterschool classes, this leaves me scrambling to create my own lessons which takes time and just put the extra story books aside I was using.
How do you approach these issues? Just roll with it or speak up about your work related issues? |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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You probably gladly accepted more work, at least initially? You have to make a big fuss about how busy you are already, and how stressed you are from the extra work. If you are seen to be a person who works, you will get more work. It's as simple as that.
You definitely have to speak up. Noisy kids in the teachers' area is a massive gripe of mine. |
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oskinny1

Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Location: Right behind you!
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Get a desk in the teachers' office.
Tell them "no" if they ask you to teach more.
Make your original lesson plans vague then fill in the gaps when you're finished.
They are only contracted to teach 20 hours but have to come in on Saturdays.
You are contracted 22 hours but also get your housing taken care of. To them you work 8 hours more a month and live for free. |
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Manuel_the_Bandito
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Korean PS teachers are contract for only 20 hours |
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AsiaESLbound wrote: |
A bit of a rant, but also valid in my perspective. I'm contracted for 22 hours, but teach 30 and find myself a bit too busy. Not only am I squeezing for lesson planning, I'm also being asked to rewrite lesson plans after they were taught as for them to reflect what actually occured for whatever reasons uknown. This seems to be unecessarily eating up more time and then I'm being told to do more things without ever any appreciation regardless of effort and performance. Now my little computer room has turned into an afterschool classroom for my co-teachers to use as well as a library with Touch and Play boards during the few free hours I have which leaves me with a noisy chaotic environment to do my sit down work such as lesson planning. It's getting busier in the past 2 weeks with never a quiet moment. I constantly have lots of noise and kids bugging me at my computer any time I sit which is about 1 to 2 hours a day. This leaves me growing a bit unthankful and unhappy in my work.
Sure Korean teachers have many things to do I don't have and also have small children of their own, but I find it's stupid to rewrite lesson plans that will never be used again as well as over schedule the English Zone instead of physically expanding to meet their goals.
The other issue is I can not ever predict how the Korean teachers are going to teach or what they are going to teach as they always inconsistently work so I can not effectively lesson plan nor teach what I thought to write. It's tiring and they are tired too. Probably more so than I am, but a school this large with 800 students might consider 2 Enlish rooms, 2 foreign teachers, and 4 Korean co-teachers which I suggested, but any thing I say means nothing. They do put a high priority on curriculum and are a well structured school where it's always a busy routine and no play. There isn't a playground nor recess periods so kids just go nutz in the common areas between classes and during lunch. Their kids and kids need some freedom to be theirselves and especially so since we are taking an approach to teach individualism and open thinking through teaching in a happy way rather than a strict military old school style.
Being that I was recently asked to teach American culture for afterschool classes, this leaves me scrambling to create my own lessons which takes time and just put the extra story books aside I was using.
How do you approach these issues? Just roll with it or speak up about your work related issues? |
Like there aren't thousands of Korean teachers who couldn't write something very similar, but with Saturday thrown in a few times. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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With the current contract you can refuse more than 22 hours. If they're not paying you overtime than you don't have to do it.
It is overwhelming. I'm at a tech school and I work 14 hours everyday. You teach 800, I teach a 1000. Sometimes on weekends too. But that's just all lesson planning.
School's don't have much say in FT placement.
You can be passive aggressive especially if they're trying to overload you. Say you'll do it, flash the PR smile and never do it. They won't bring it up again. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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OP. The word is "No!'
It seems you're learning about a common Korean management strategy called 'Escalation.' That is, you agree to a request for a few extra hours (you think it's probably a one off) and then, whamo, your hours increase dramatically. Learn how to say "No," or you'll never survive here.
Good luck. |
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jonpurdy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Location: Ulsan
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'm assuming you're getting paid overtime for the extra eight hours. (If not, why would you do it?)
So, you can reduce your overtime to four or so hours or just refuse it. If you're required to make these silly lesson plans (which you can't really get out of doing, realistically) then teach fewer lessons. You won't make as much overtime money but you'll be saner.
As far as kids bugging you while you work, try to get an office or desk somewhere else. If not, tell the staff that you are disturbed and can't work. If neither works, offer to go home to work early and finish your stuff there (but not putting in any more work than you would have at school, ie. work until 5pm at home).
Let us know how it goes! |
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bsrosenfeld
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have someone within the school that you can speak with confidentially? I have known many people who take on extra assignment after extra assignment until it becomes too much. My best advice is to find someone that you can trust or at least consult for advice and have them help you navigate through this.
Fortunately, I have an amazing co-teacher who gives great advice. She is able to provide feedback and advice or step in and help when it is warranted. This is extremely helpful when trying to avoid insulting superiors and helping them save face. |
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ticktocktocktick

Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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They probably just want to create some extra paperwork to look like they're being productive, and they don't care about the content. This is the best idea they've come up with. Nobody is ever going to read your lesson plans in a PS (except for the open class one) so try resubmitting the original with a different file name, and see if anyone notices. Just make it look like you haven't saved your changes in word. If they don't notice, then continue. |
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Goon-Yang
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Duh
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Did you sign a contract saying you'd teach 22 hours? If so...tough luck.
Do you...
get free housing? Koreans don't.
have a degree in education or are you a qualified teacher back home?
have to do paperwork?
have weekly meetings?
Apples and oranges.
As for lesson plans...if nobody is going to use them/read them why not take them off the internet? This is the country of plagarism.
Most K-teachers get a laptop...why not ask them if you could get one to do your planning at home. |
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tefain

Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Location: Not too far out there
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Speak up about the lesson plans and roll with the rest. |
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Nester Noodlemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Goon-Yang wrote: |
Did you sign a contract saying you'd teach 22 hours? If so...tough luck.
Do you...
get free housing? Koreans don't.
have a degree in education or are you a qualified teacher back home?
have to do paperwork?
have weekly meetings?
Apples and oranges.
As for lesson plans...if nobody is going to use them/read them why not take them off the internet? This is the country of plagarism.
Most K-teachers get a laptop...why not ask them if you could get one to do your planning at home. |
get free housing?
This is my pet peeve. Housing isn't free. Housing is part of the payment package. Free housing is like free salary, doesn't exist.
Hey everyone, come to Korea. As long as you work, you can get free housing and salary. And, free airfare that you only have to pay back if you leave early. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:05 am Post subject: |
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Goon-Yang wrote: |
Did you sign a contract saying you'd teach 22 hours? If so...tough luck.
Do you...
get free housing? Koreans don't.
have a degree in education or are you a qualified teacher back home?
have to do paperwork?
have weekly meetings?
Apples and oranges.
As for lesson plans...if nobody is going to use them/read them why not take them off the internet? This is the country of plagarism.
Most K-teachers get a laptop...why not ask them if you could get one to do your planning at home. |
Being that I only took 2 minutes to write this early this morning, I mistitled it. I should had called it, "A bit too busy with too many disruptions." I didn't mean to compare myself to Korean teachers, but simply state they had more free periods during the day to do extra work or whatever and I find myself with too few free periods and space to focus with them telling me I need plan more. I don't know how much Korean teachers make, but it must be more to pay for housing though they are married women so they have husbands to pitch in for living expense. We really can't compare ourselves to them as they are Korea's real teachers and we are only assistant teachers for modeling voice, introducing Western culture to students, and teaching conversation.
Ah yes, I'm contracted for 22 hours and supposedly get 20k for after school classes of 50 minutes each. I don't mind teaching them, it's just too busy and disruptive during my precious few breaks and too dam many disruptions while I'm teaching. Excessive tardies, classroom phone ringing often, text message pop up windows, and other kids coming in and out to participate in my co-teachers after school classes in our small room which invariably is my work station room while I'm down for about an hour to hour and a half in the afternoons as well as during my after school classes. It's not the worst job according to the nightmares some of you mentioned, but we need a larger facility to do what we are trying to do! We seem to trying to run a full fledged English school with 1 classroom and 1 small room due to high student numbers where we have 4 classes of each grade level.
Yes, I do have paperwork such as attendance rolls, but those take minimal time. Yes, I do in fact have weekly meetings I know nothing of what is said as well as participating in events including the whole school such as open house day and things like the name tag issue event on the field as well as the occasional 8AM greeter duty the Korean teachers share the burden of on a rotation. Most extra work and events come on last minute notice and if it's during the work day, I can't say no, becuase I'm on their time even though I might had planned on planning a lesson. I am held to much the same standards as Korean teachers except I'm not invited to dinners nor served kimchee at during our shortish 50 minute lunch period. Nor do I play volleyball despite my willingness to do so due to my busy schedule. What? They can take a free hour or two at 3PM to play ball? I was hoping to actually get more involved outside the classroom and get to know them. My co-teachers don't play either as they too aren't free during this time so their lunch break is their only time to socialize with other teachers. Everyone who can should do extracurricular activities and get involved. Do something more outside of your work. I can do that with other local foreign teachers, but they are late night owls where they don't go bowling, tennis, gym, or anything else until 10pm. Well, they work late in private academies and get up like at 10, 11, or 12 while I need to be up at 0700 hours.
There is never lunch break peace as kids are everywhere going nutz with brooms and mops and specifically seeking to find me to say, "Hello!." I love em' to death, but the constant hello's drive me nutz in the halls and especially toilets. It annoys me greatly when I'm at my desk, but I keep my cool. I don't want to tell them to bugger off as I want them to feel I'm open to them so they make better students eager to learn.
No one sits in the teachers room in my school despite it's grand size and being the only cozy warm room on a cold day. The VP simply doesn't want commotion and disruptions. Good work environment seems to come as a privilege to those higher up; not a right for those people who actually work. I haven't seen Korean teachers with laptops, but are using their classroom computers. They too are dealing with disruptions during both their classes and sit down time as they too don't have access to a real office like officers do though during their sitting time, no kids may be in their classrooms due to them being in music, art, PE, English, or something else. Korean teachers seem to be a dedicated bunch who aren't complainers nor challenge common inconveniences that could be fixed if the top are open to supporting them. For the 20th time in 2 weeks, "Can you call to have our projector serviced as it's giving us problems?" Nothing ever happens even though my co-teachers clearly understand me, say it is frustrating, and needs to get done.
Being that it's a big school and I don't see much going on due to being occupied with my work, teachers probably don't get much lesson planning done during the day so they work after 5. Well, when students finish at 2:50, that last 2 hours is lesson planning time for many. In a big school I'm pretty sure most teachers are maxed out, but the 2 Korean English teachers can be contracted for less hours than me due to only 1 of me and 2 of them. I probably am as busy as a Korean teacher, possibly busier during the day than some, except I don't stay past 5.
There are no 10 minute breaks as the Korean teachers almost always extend our classes 5 extra minutes past the bell and the next class is coming in as one exits. I make quick toilet pit stops or to the back room for water as talking, singing, and dancing really makes me thirsty. Everyone, including me seems thankful to have a job and are dutiful to it despite less than desirable environmental conditions such as noise, disruptions, extra nonsensical demands, last minute plans, and super stinky bathrooms. Guess you can't have your cake and eat it too, unless in an officer position.
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dirving
Joined: 19 Nov 2009 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:29 am Post subject: |
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oskinny1 wrote: |
Get a desk in the teachers' office.
Tell them "no" if they ask you to teach more.
Make your original lesson plans vague then fill in the gaps when you're finished.
They are only contracted to teach 20 hours but have to come in on Saturdays.
You are contracted 22 hours but also get your housing taken care of. To them you work 8 hours more a month and live for free. |
The housing for most of us is worse than Happy Valley-Goose Bay ghetto, and we do not get the huge bonuses at Chinese New Year's, Chuseok, and other national holidays.
Then, there are the thick white envelopes, tickets to Nanta, crates of Jeju's Jollabon Oranges, and other freebies from parents that make a teacher's job so highly sought after in this nation. Then, there's the much better health insurance and extra pay for overtime that many expats would never get unless they filed a petition at the labour relations commission.
Finally, the Korean teachers get to commit assault and battery against incredibly badly behaved older male students who merely need what I used to say to them: "Hey! Stop doing that!" Korean teacher knees Jin Oh in the nuts; Dirving Teacher asks him several times to stop hitting the much smaller kid. End result: K-Teacher gets a raise and Dirving gets fired from EPIK without Notice for being too scary and too cold.
Can you say, "Hello Animal Farm?"
Sorry for the rant. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:01 am Post subject: |
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I teach 24 class hours, the Korean teachers teach on average 18 hours.
This is why I don't complain:
1. I don't go to work on Saturdays.
2. I don't have to go to 20+ Seminars and Workshops every semester.
3. I don't have to deal with Homeroom students, or their parents.
4. I have not once stayed past my contract specified 4:30pm work day.
5. I get paid a lot more than Korean teachers my age.
6. I don't have to pay into the Teachers Discretionary Fund (pays for gifts to teachers who get married, have children, etc...)
7. I don't have to get up an hour early for morning duty (writing up students who are late, students who don't have proper uniforms, etc...)
8. I don't have lunch room duty (making sure students are standing in a proper line, making sure there are no fights)
9. I don't have to do the mountains of pointless paperwork that the Korean teachers are constantly bogged down with.
10. I come to school at 8:30, whereas the Korean teachers get there at 8. (unless they have morning duty, then they have to get there at 7:30.)
11. I don't go to school meetings.
Yeah, we have it soooo bad OP.
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