| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
|
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:27 am Post subject: You Can Kiss Mitt Goodbye |
|
|
On Monday he said: "America has just witnessed an unconscionable abuse of power. President Obama has betrayed his oath to the nation � rather than bringing us together, ushering in a new kind of politics, and rising above raw partisanship, he has succumbed to the lowest denominator of incumbent power: justifying the means by extolling the ends. He promised better; we deserved better...
"It will create a new entitlement even as the ones we already have are bankrupt. For these reasons and more, the act should be repealed. That campaign begins today."
Now compare that (from this link:)... http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0310/Romney_Unconscionable_abuse_of_power.html?showall
...with his defense of the Mass health care system which he negotiated and signed into law. From this article he wrote in April '06: Health Care for Everyone? We've found a way.
"I believe that we have. Every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance and the costs of health care will be reduced. And we will need no new taxes, no employer mandate and no government takeover to make this happen...
"We needed far less than the $1 billion for the subsidies. One reason is that this population is healthier than we had imagined. Instead of single parents, most were young single males, educated and in good health. And again, because health insurance will now be affordable and subsidized, we insist that everyone purchase health insurance from one of our private insurance companies."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008213
This (the whole article) explains why Obama thought there was a chance of finding a bipartisan solution.
Every potential Romney rival for the nomination will have a copy of this--written by Romney himself. Mitt is out of the running for '12. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
|
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
| You will not find a better example of the wishywashiness of politicians. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
|
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
He should be penalized one yacht.
(He might be right about the numbers, but he should still pay something for being a mealy-mouthed puke.) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
|
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Ha. Caniff you're on a roll today. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
|
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Soju + PC Bang? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
|
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
| mises wrote: |
| Soju + PC Bang? |
+ self-forgiveness, Mises, self-forgiveness. You and I and a few select others, I'll suspect, aren't all that bad after all. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
|
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
| caniff wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Soju + PC Bang? |
+ self-forgiveness, Mises, self-forgiveness. You and I and a few select others, I'll suspect, aren't all that bad after all. |
(Jeebus, I guess I've taken over the title of boss thread killer from Gwangju Chicken - and I quoted myself to boot.)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
|
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
I don't think this is enough to defeat Romney. Its a logical inconsistency on his part, and perhaps a flip-flop at best. The election is, what, two and a half years away?
No, the significant effect of recent events is that the health bill strengthens Obama's promise of change. He's going to have something going into re-election. That's going to hurt any Republican opponent he may face. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
|
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| He's going to have something going into re-election. |
He's rich and admittedly telegenic? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
|
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
I don't think this is enough to defeat Romney. Its a logical inconsistency on his part, and perhaps a flip-flop at best. The election is, what, two and a half years away?
No, the significant effect of recent events is that the health bill strengthens Obama's promise of change. He's going to have something going into re-election. That's going to hurt any Republican opponent he may face. |
Ya can't run against Obama until ya get your own party's nomination; please explain how Mitt would get the nomination, given his original views on universal health care, as stated above. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
|
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Let Ambinder from the Atlantic pose my rebuttal:
| Quote: |
1. The reason why the success of Romneycare is disputed is twofold; one is Romney's fault -- he and the legislature decided to punt on the stronger cost-controlling measures at the time of the bill's implementation. Two: the economy collapsed, leaving the state scrambling for the funds it assumed it would have. But on the deliverables: getting coverage to more people, increasing choice and competition, and keeping up a level of care: the Massachusetts system is doing pretty well. If ObamaCare remains unpopular, and the economic recovery helps Massachusetts fix its budget issues, RomneyCare might stand out as an undeniable success: a state chose the route that best fit its profile and it worked. It's harder for Romney to create a contrast today because the basic outlines of ObamaCare look just like basic outline of RomneyCare, and partisan allegiances are distorting public perception.
2. It's ungrounded to assume that health care will be the Big Issue among Republican primary voters two years from now. If it's not the biggest issue, or the second biggest issue, then it's not really Romney's problem. It's true that the war in Iraq influenced the way the Democratic primary began, but any number of factors having nothing to do with the war influenced how it ended. |
Go to the link for two more detailed reasons why Romney's political career is far from over. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
|
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I agree with the Happy Warrior. In a sane, rational world, the hypocrisy Mitt Romney has uttered on this issue would prevent him from winning a Republican primary election (and would in fact banish him from politics forever). In reality, where voters often have short memories, are notoriously focused on particular issues (which frequently change), and generally aren't all that put off by inconsistency, Romney remains a potential contender.
Many politicians, especially at the national level, have taken contradictory or hypocritical positions. The apathy and disinterest of the public ensures that it's not that big of an issue. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
|
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Fox wrote: |
I agree with the Happy Warrior. In a sane, rational world, the hypocrisy Mitt Romney has uttered on this issue would prevent him from winning a Republican primary election (and would in fact banish him from politics forever). In reality, where voters often have short memories, are notoriously focused on particular issues (which frequently change), and generally aren't all that put off by inconsistency, Romney remains a potential contender.
Many politicians, especially at the national level, have taken contradictory or hypocritical positions. The apathy and disinterest of the public ensures that it's not that big of an issue. |
Plus, in the Republican Party...that stuff is commonplace and very acceptable. It is, however, completely unacceptable if it is a Democrat who ever does anything contradictory, and they'd quickly be labeled a 'flip-flopper!'...Kerry losing to Bush was exactly such a situation.
But, the fact that Republicans have such a great brainwashing going on with the American people...I mean, many Republicans STILL think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama....WOW...so if that thought still strongly exists...than MITT and his MA healthcare past will somehow be made from Taxachussets into Mittachussets with some Republican success story somewhere in there - maybe he incarcerated more youths, which meant less vandalism which meant less taxes or some other real weirdass contradictory spin on it that Tea Parties will say YEAH and everyone else will say WTF?  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|