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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| mises wrote: |
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As far as Ben Stein, I think he had just emerged from a conference that entails a support for a right wing type of Israel and having certain talking points and dealing with issues like whether the West Bank is occupied or not. |
He was using an all or nothing, go immediately for the throat style of argumentation that is far too common and rapidly losing all effectiveness. |
The race card and smearing people as self-hating Jews or anti-Semitic is an undemocratic parlance to shut debate, and, you are right, it is losing its effectiveness. Crying wolf is not productive, and it's dangerous because we need to pay attention to genuine racism, not false allegations of racism. Paul seems to be a decent man. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Crying wolf is not productive, and it's dangerous because we need to pay attention to genuine racism |
For example? |
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catman
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| If Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination would he run as an independent? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| If Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination would he run as an independent? |
No. He says the barriers are too great for a third party or independent run. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| If Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination would he run as an independent? |
I dunno, but if he did the Dems probably would be happy about it. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| If Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination would he run as an independent? |
Probably not. Surely he realizes that participating in an election after he lost the primary would simply ensure Obama won. That kind of antagonization of more mainstream conservatives would do nothing to help his ideas become more popular. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| If Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination would he run as an independent? |
He ran (and I voted for him) in 1988 as the Libertarian nominee and got a million votes.
Don't know that he'd do it again, though. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure really what to make of this poll. Its certainly newsworthy, though. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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| Crying wolf is not productive, and it's dangerous because we need to pay attention to genuine racism |
For example? |
There is genuine anti-Semitism, anti-Jewish feeling. However, if it is perceived that the race card is invoked in cases where people are not racist and either isolationists like Ron Paul or human rights activists, then we would have a problem when people point out genuine racism. Some may not take genuine incidents as seriously. It would, perhaps, lead to desensitization. Racism is a real problem in the world, but every ethnic group should be able to look at where their community is going wrong be they white, Jewish, black, or Arab, and not just white and Protestant/Catholic.
Also, anti-Semitism is sometimes exaggerated in Europe by the ADL.
Genuine anti-Semitism in Western Europe is at a rather low rate compared to other places. It's not like Russia. However, anti-Semitic incidents have risen in Europe somewhat. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Ron Paul follows Austrian economics. I do too. Mises (Jew), Rothbard (Jew) and Hayek (Jew) are the primary thinkers. Paul lists Mises as his hero because Mises suffered so much while in Germany and Austria and then couldn't get a job teaching in NY because he was a Jew. He spends time at the Mises Institute (named after a Jew). Ben Stein accusing him of using anti-semetic language. No matter how conciliatory a goyim is we will be called an anti semite at a moments notice by a major public figure with hoards of institutional credibility. That was a major game changing realization for me. The legacy of the pogroms and killings is now nothing more than a cynical political tool by hyper-wealthy organizations and individuals. They spit on the experiences of Jews past.
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| Also, anti-Semitism is sometimes exaggerated in Europe by the ADL. |
Anyways, enough of that.
Paul has said that the poll was surprising and flattering but that he doesn't put much faith in it. He really isn't making any hints about running. He just might be too old and tired. It would be a shame. He can't/won't win but he can change the subject just enough to maybe make some meaningful change. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully by Election Day, Paul can edge ahead.
 Then all we gotta do is get prepared for the vote-fixing. |
I don't know about that, but the 2000 election was definitely unfair and thanks to what happened in Florida we are in so much debt and have two wars out there. At least, one of the wars is no longer burning badly out of control (Iraq), but it is still costing too much money. There are 800 military bases out there. I am not a libertarian. I am on the Left, but Obama doesn't have the ability to extricate America out of these wars. I think Paul can do that. |
Freedom is not free grasshopper. We have muslim extremist trying to destroy America...they must be annihilated. |
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