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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Darkray16 wrote: |
WTF?
just skimmed through the last page of arguments about Macs vs PC...
Two notes:
1. is this a discussion about software or hardware?
If it's about software then,
PC != Windows
Linux ftw
Mac OS is as simple OS for simple minded people.
if it's about hardware then there is no comparison
paying an extra 600 dollars for hardware that is a year behind the times is the suck.
2. thread jack much? |
So you complain about a thread jack and then prolong it with this crap? Kreist, talk about simplemindedness. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm happy with my Macbook Pro. Mainly because I've installed Windows 7 on it. |
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tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'll weigh in on this debate, since I inadvertently started it.
Macbook/Macbook Pro pros:
-Very long battery life
-Decent performance
-Good styling
-Lightweight
-Good case quality (this does not reflect the quality of the components or general QA of the product, only the exterior of the machine)
-Retains value well
-Can run OS X without hacking
Macbook/Macbook Pro cons:
-More expensive than comparably specced Windows-based PCs.
-Doesn't run Windows as well as it runs OS X (decreased battery life).
-High resolution screen options aren't that great
-Limited spec upgradeability (for example, maximum Macbook Pro GPU Nvidia GT 330M)
Pro/con depending on perspective:
-Mac user "image" (cool, hipster, stupid sheep, ultra-consumer, creative, etc.)
I'm sure there are other pros and cons, but this was just a quick list that I came up with. I am not a hater or a fanboy. I have been using Apple computers and OSes for a few years now. I have run OS X on 2 Dell laptops and 1 Asus desktop, as well as on a Mac Mini and 17" Macbook Pro (2009 model). Personally, I prefer Windows 7 as an OS, but I have to run OS X to use Xcode. I like Apple's simple/elegant hardware styling, lightweight notebooks, and portability, though.
I recently sold my 17" Macbook Pro, and just upgraded to a Dell Latitude 15.6". This is a downgrade in graphics performance, but in every other way it is a major upgrade. After applying the 35% off coupon I received from Dell in my e-mail, it was only $875, too.
Everybody has different needs and wants in a laptop/desktop. There is no reason that people should even care if someone else buys an Apple computer or a Dell/HP/MSI/Asus/etc. You can make the best decision for yourself, but let other people buy what they want. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| tatertot wrote: |
Everybody has different needs and wants in a laptop/desktop. There is no reason that people should even care if someone else buys an Apple computer or a Dell/HP/MSI/Asus/etc. You can make the best decision for yourself, but let other people buy what they want. |
I think you're absolutely right here.....I don't care at all that 8% of people choose a Macbook.......They're perfectly good laptops.
As a PC user I can respect the decent spec and build quality of Macbooks. And OSX is a very usable OS.......So I'll never deride those people for choosing a Macbook.
Of course, I feel compelled to say that I think they could've gotten the same spec, build quality and usable OS from a PC for less money......but that's something for the Mac buyer to reconcile themselves with. I really don't care about another persons financial loss or gain.
I think though, what really puzzles PC users like me is that it's the Mac users who deride PC's. They don't give PC's the respect as machines that PC users, like me, give to Macbooks as machines. That, and the fact that they hang on to an outdated view of Windows as buggy, glitchy and virus-ridden.
So there's an unequal attitude between most PC and Mac users. With Mac users it's an all too simple attitude that, "I bought a mac, so I'm in computer heaven.....you bought a PC so you must be in computer hell".
Maybe that's how Mac users justify the extra costs to themselves.......by absolutely and eternally refusing to believe that a PC can be reliable and rewarding experience. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| So I'll never deride those people for choosing a Macbook. |
Eamo, you are overflowing with it now.
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| You Apple people really are strange.... |
| eamo wrote: |
| Whoa!! Hold on there apple-boy! |
| eamo wrote: |
| I wouldn't go as far as to say they are overpriced Fisher Price toys, like the guy in the article I linked. |
| eamo wrote: |
| I've used one. Felt like a fisher price toy. |
And those are only the result of looking at a few of your many Apple thread contributions. I could possibly find double if this site didn't produce a blank screen when I searched 'Mac.'
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| I think though, what really puzzles PC users like me is that it's the Mac users who deride PC's. They don't give PC's the respect as machines that PC users, like me, give to Macbooks as machines. That, and the fact that they hang on to an outdated view of Windows as buggy, glitchy and virus-ridden. |
Ah, I see... so someone like me who continues to work with PCs carrying the latest OS, experiencing the differences is showing less respect then the comments you wrote above? Windows PCs are stil, in 2010, more buggy than Mac when you factor third party software. TESTED.
No one said Windows is virus-ridden. We said Windows NEEDS antivirus. FACT. How many WIndows users do you know who have had a virus, or have had to reinstall the OS?... and that's even WITH antivirus.
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| So there's an unequal attitude between most PC and Mac users. With Mac users it's an all too simple attitude that, "I bought a mac, so I'm in computer heaven.....you bought a PC so you must be in computer hell". |
No one has said that. What we are saying, those of us who experienced BOTH, is that the Mac experience is better. And we say this considering the hardware+software combination.
Mac is less weight, comes with more drivers, comes with global languages, comes with web hosting ability, does not need antivirus, and is a much more efficient OS. Those are well documented facts from tech writers. It has taken Microsoft decades to come up with an OS that can match OSX, and it's still 3 times the size.
You, however, use one for a few hours and say they are like fisher price toys...only you don't really say things like that do you? I doubt you even used one for as long as you say because you ALSO claim to have rather 'average' knowledge of PCs despite admitting you normally construct your own PCs from parts. That is not even close to the 'average' PC user. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
No one has said that. What we are saying, those of us who experienced BOTH, is that the Mac experience is better. And we say this considering the hardware+software combination.
Mac is less weight, comes with more drivers, comes with global languages, comes with web hosting ability, does not need antivirus, and is a much more efficient OS. Those are well documented facts from tech writers. It has taken Microsoft decades to come up with an OS that can match OSX, and it's still 3 times the size.
You, however, use one for a few hours and say they are like fisher price toys...only you don't really say things like that do you? I doubt you even used one for as long as you say because you claim to have rather average knowledge of PCs despite admitting you normally construct your own PCs from parts. That is not even close to the 'average' PC user. |
Who are you, Steve Jobs?
I've grown up with both Macs and PCs in my house and since I have been able to afford my own s***, I've always gone the PC route. Please don't speak for those who have "those of us who experienced BOTH" since there haven't even been many people that have even weighed in on this thread.
I much prefer PCs over Apple. I dislike the OS believe it or not--as in, I f***ing hate it. I'm not into paying way more for (in my opinion) absolutely nothing but aesthetics. I don't need a ton of languages. I don't care that Windows 7 is 20gb. If I can't afford a terabyte hard drive, THAT's when I'll start to worry. I never use antivirus and I always turn off Windows Firewall, and I haven't had a virus for as long as I can remember.
I like the fact that I can pretty much download any software I want for Windows. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:13 am Post subject: |
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So what you're saying is you used Mac as a kid, but since then you exclusively use PCs . You think that qualifies you to be a user of both now?
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| I dislike the OS believe it or not--as in, I f***ing hate it. I'm not into paying way more for (in my opinion) absolutely nothing but aesthetics. |
The fact that you think OSX has more 'aesthetics' than Windows only proves you haven't used Mac much... or lately. If anything, Windows is more flashy, gaudy than OSX.
The 'we' I speak of is more than the few on this thread.... it's people in the music field, and many people I know who have switched over.
But don't listen to me, Steve jobs, listen to tech writers who generally give performance AND security favors to OSX.
http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/snow-leopard-vs-windows-7.aspx?page=3
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31012_7-10319612-10355804.html
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137182/OS_deathmatch_Snow_Leopard_vs._Windows_7
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3865411/Windows-7-vs-Snow-Leopard-Which-is-More-Secure.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/02/snow_leopard_versus_windows_7/
http://www.cio.com/article/501015/OS_Deathmatch_Snow_Leopard_Vs._Windows_7?page=2&taxonomyId=3234
It's not a matter of not needing the languages or not caring about this or that. The fact is, the size, the antivirus, and the things windows leaves out with that size is evidence of an OS that clearly is not 'great'. You may have not had a virus, but I can count a dozen people on this site alone complaining about having to reinstall Windows for that reason, even having antivirus installed. You are in a minority in that respect, and that is if you are believed. Windows viruses continue to make global newspaper headlines... in 2010.
I can download any software I want for Mac too. And from my experience and those in my field it jives much better than Windows ready stuff.
Lots of long time Windows users hate OSX. Of course they do... it's different. Very different. I remember when tons of Windows users moaned when MS wanted to change the startup menu. People freaked out because it was such a huge change... and I say 'huge' with sarcasm.
People generally like to be familiar with their computers. If you like doing things the Windows way, that's great... Now ask yourself why Windows has come to act more and more like OSX. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| And those are only the result of looking at a few of your many Apple thread contributions. I could possibly find double if this site didn't produce a blank screen when I searched 'Mac.' |
 Well now.....you got the search function out....... .......I suppose in the spirit of debate here on Dave's I have been a bit critical of Mac's/OSX/Macheads.....but honestly, IRL, I don't rant on to my PC friends about Mac's or overly criticize them.....my PC friends and I (I don't have any Mac friends!) might say stuff like, "you can't game on them" or "you can't upgrade them much", or, "You're tied into one company".....nothing more vicious than that.
But you have to admit, there is a strange quality about the Macheads who line up for days outside Apple stores, high-fiving the sales staff on the way in, showing a manic kind of enthusiasm to spend a big chunk of money on a gadget that they have never even held in their hands! I'm thinking ipad here.
As for the Fisher-Price thing.........there is a more simplistic 'dumbed-down' feel to OSX.....Windows just feels more grown-up and flexible. I prefer the Windows style.....There's a real curve you can go on with Windows and what it can do. Lots of learning in there. I like that. If it's too simple I get bored.
You know, you can defend Mac and criticize Windows all you like, but the truth is, the two are becoming more and more the same thing. Mac's are virtually PC's in hardware terms, and Windows has become a twin of OSX in software terms.
There isn't really much left to differentiate except for price and image. That's what it all comes down to and that's where Mac users get uncomfortable because they know, or will realize eventually, they pay more for the same spec hardware and that the Mac Vs PC marketing typified by the Apple, 'I'm a PC, I'm a Mac' TV ads don't actually add up to anything real anymore..........all that's left for Apple is styling and marketing. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Here is what I would consider the ultimate laptop.
-Weighs less than 1kg.
-Less than an inch thick.
-17", 1080p, touch screen, 3D, e ink display, yet be portable enough to fit in a carry bag(don't ask me how to achieve this).
-8GB RAM (what is the maximum possible?)
-2TB SSD storage. Plus easy upgrade-ability.
-I don't know anything about processors. Dual i7s? (Is that possible?)
-HDMI out, USB 3.0, plus any plausibly available output.
-Dual boot OSX and Windows 7.
-Built in Projector.
-DLSR web cam.
-1 second boot time.
-Supports 7.1 digital surround sound.
-3G/WiMax.
-Turret mounted machine guns.
-Unicorn repellent
-Flux capacitor.
-Waffle iron.
What did I miss?
-An Apple logo?
-Linux OS? |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| No one has said that. What we are saying, those of us who experienced BOTH, is that the Mac experience is better. And we say this considering the hardware+software combination. |
Nope. Had a Power Mac G4 at a place I used to work (actually, I use that term loosely -- kind of really just hung around helping out from time to time).
POS. |
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crescent
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| No one has said that. What we are saying, those of us who experienced BOTH, is that the Mac experience is better. And we say this considering the hardware+software combination. |
Nope. Had a Power Mac G4 at a place I used to work (actually, I use that term loosely -- kind of really just hung around helping out from time to time).
POS. |
Well that was intelligently put. Says more about you than the computer. |
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the_beaver
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| the_beaver wrote: |
| crescent wrote: |
| No one has said that. What we are saying, those of us who experienced BOTH, is that the Mac experience is better. And we say this considering the hardware+software combination. |
Nope. Had a Power Mac G4 at a place I used to work (actually, I use that term loosely -- kind of really just hung around helping out from time to time).
POS. |
Well that was intelligently put. Says more about you than the computer. |
That was well-avoided. Says as much about machead argument evasion as machead wit. |
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crescent
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| crescent wrote: |
| the_beaver wrote: |
| crescent wrote: |
| No one has said that. What we are saying, those of us who experienced BOTH, is that the Mac experience is better. And we say this considering the hardware+software combination. |
Nope. Had a Power Mac G4 at a place I used to work (actually, I use that term loosely -- kind of really just hung around helping out from time to time).
POS. |
Well that was intelligently put. Says more about you than the computer. |
That was well-avoided. Says as much about machead argument evasion as machead wit. |
Yeah, avoided by you! ....Dozehead. No wit needed. Give me something to use it on. It was a G4 for kreist sake. LOL! A G4! We're talking 1999-2004...Do you want to argue about NeXT as well? What was the problem waaay back then, and what have you done lately? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:41 am Post subject: |
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"What we are saying, those of us who experienced BOTH, is that the Mac experience is better. And we say this considering the hardware+software combination."
I've experienced both, and the Mac experience doesn't seem any better than Windows. I have Snow Leopard and it's not perfect. Like Windows, it does occasionally hang or slow down when under heavy load. For me, the most decisive factor in choosing between the two is the software that's available - including games. In this field, PC is the clear winner. |
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crescent
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| And those are only the result of looking at a few of your many Apple thread contributions. I could possibly find double if this site didn't produce a blank screen when I searched 'Mac.' |
Well now.....you got the search function out....... .......I suppose in the spirit of debate here on Dave's I have been a bit critical of Mac's/OSX/Macheads.....but honestly, IRL, I don't rant on to my PC friends about Mac's or overly criticize them.....my PC friends and I (I don't have any Mac friends!) might say stuff like, "you can't game on them" or "you can't upgrade them much", or, "You're tied into one company".....nothing more vicious than that.
But you have to admit, there is a strange quality about the Macheads who line up for days outside Apple stores, high-fiving the sales staff on the way in, showing a manic kind of enthusiasm to spend a big chunk of money on a gadget that they have never even held in their hands! I'm thinking ipad here.
As for the Fisher-Price thing.........there is a more simplistic 'dumbed-down' feel to OSX.....Windows just feels more grown-up and flexible. I prefer the Windows style.....There's a real curve you can go on with Windows and what it can do. Lots of learning in there. I like that. If it's too simple I get bored.
You know, you can defend Mac and criticize Windows all you like, but the truth is, the two are becoming more and more the same thing. Mac's are virtually PC's in hardware terms, and Windows has become a twin of OSX in software terms.
There isn't really much left to differentiate except for price and image. That's what it all comes down to and that's where Mac users get uncomfortable because they know, or will realize eventually, they pay more for the same spec hardware and that the Mac Vs PC marketing typified by the Apple, 'I'm a PC, I'm a Mac' TV ads don't actually add up to anything real anymore..........all that's left for Apple is styling and marketing. |
There are zombie macheads out there, yes... but there are also people working with BOTH who made decisions based on extensive comparison. That's what I have done... and yes, i will rave about that difference until everyone has a headache. I do it because the difference I experience is very real.
What experts say in comparing them is real, too.
I see right through the marketing... give me some credit. In fact, I used to be absolutely disgusted by apple advertising. I dismissed it. Only through experience did I make my decision.
Price. How on earth do you know that mac users are UNCOMFORTABLE with price. I don't know any mac user who was uncomfortable with the price they paid, because they made a conscious choice to switch. I certainly am not. It's my choice. Just because PCs have more power at a lower price does not make them less susceptible to all the problems I experienced with them. Those problems cost me money.
I am not a web-surfer, movie watcher. I run industry leading, CPU taxing software on it. If I want to switch back, I can sell my mac with a great resale value and buy a PC... but I don't .... and I won't unless something drastic happens.
Interesting how you like to generalize about mac users but you won't stand to hear the generalizations about windows.
I can use the built in terminal app to tweak and twist OSX. It is very customizable and there is lots you can do with it. It takes experience.
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