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Bramble

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Location: National treasures need homes
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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CentralCali wrote: |
The OP asked what the local attitude is towards depression and got two kinds of answers in response: 1) advice on how to lie or cheat and 2) fact-based information about the attitude. For the latter, she figuratively "shot the messenger" and took offense as though the messenger was judging her for her condition. For the former, she or some other posters asked for more details on how to go about that.
To those who are interested in cheating their way into this country: What your'e really doing is making life harder on those of us here who have not lied or cheated to get here and stay here. You're also giving employers here a "data point" to justify their prejudices against NETs. Let's not forget that, as the poster above mentioned, some of you are doling out medical advice, very bad medical advice at that. |
I wouldn't take it too seriously. Chances are the OP and most of his/her "advisors" are the same (very bored) person. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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World Traveler wrote: |
If you are already depressed, coming here could make your situation worse. |
Koreans frown on depression. You're supposed to be happy and smiley all day long. Its part of your job description, a duty to show good chemyon.
It can be hard for foreigners to maintain this facade especially if they're already depressed, facing difficult circumstances in Korea, and obviously lack their usual support systems. |
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Arthur Dent

Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Location: Kochu whirld
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: |
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A Korean-American therapist told me recently that the distinguishing feature of Korean women is that they're depressed. All of them? Yes, he said, all. The story in these pages this week that four out of 10 actors here have had suicidal urges explains the nature of the pressure on people in modern Korean society. So, men, as a woman for a day, after a breakfast of negative thoughts, prepare for a gloomy day. |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/04/137_64252.html
I can't offer better - or more informed - advice than has already been offered on this topic for the OP, so I add this for relevance. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:15 am Post subject: |
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nautilus wrote: |
World Traveler wrote: |
If you are already depressed, coming here could make your situation worse. |
Koreans frown on depression. You're supposed to be happy and smiley all day long. Its part of your job description, a duty to show good chemyon.
It can be hard for foreigners to maintain this facade especially if they're already depressed, facing difficult circumstances in Korea, and obviously lack their usual support systems. |
Wow, my co-teachers and students don't maintain this chemyon 80% of the time as they do admit most days they feel bad when I ask them how they are doing. Only so, because they know I'm open minded and won't write them off as bad people for simply feeling like hell or having problems, but at the same time, too ashamed to admit what is wrong. They are miserable unhappy people due to these rules of Confuciansim. Sure C values worked for thousands of years, but not in today's globalized tech oriented world aspiring to be inline with the West.
People need to talk more, be it bad feelings or a bad deal or a just simple communication that gets things in motion in any given situation or good experiences or just every day stuff. I try, but these people are too hush hush and always just wildly change conversations when you do talk to them, be it a good or bad topic. I'd never admit I was sad and lonely, but I would admit I'm trying to meet people and looking to find out about more things I might be able to do as I'm getting bored out of my skull. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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There are two practical things to consider for people who take meds.
Lots of meds don't work well with alcohol and when you are in Korea, you will be expected to take a lot of alcohol. Drinking alcohol, especially soju, is how many Koreans break the ice and are friendly. You have to drink. Also, you will be expected to eat many lunches and dinners with your Korean co-teachers and sometimes at their houses. If you need to take your meds more than once daily then this might be a problem if you are trying to hide your condition. At school lunches, where you are expected to eat in the cafeteria with all the students you wouldn't be able to take the meds either. It would be frowned upon. |
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Banana_Man
Joined: 01 Mar 2010 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans don't frown about depression, well, maybe some do, maybe, just maybe, but not all.
I have known depressed Koreans and foreigners here - in fact my wife is quite depressed these days as her father has re-married and is now expecting a baby, this baby will be 28 years younger than it's older sister (my wife^^*). So, she is depressed yet, everyone is handling it in a very normal way.
If you listen to the foreigner scare mongering that goes on then none of what I said would be possible - Koreans don't get divorced, frown on depression, will not act kindly to unwanted children, will .... the list goes on.
Come on people, throw out the judgemental closet racism crap. |
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Zilong
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Location: Broseidon's Lair
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Judging by how harsh the word 미치다 is in Korean, I'd say the stigma of mental illness needs an update in this society. |
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Banana_Man
Joined: 01 Mar 2010 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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It's not that harsh, unless you say it to a kid. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Banana_Man wrote: |
Koreans don't frown about depression, well, maybe some do, maybe, just maybe, but not all.
I have known depressed Koreans and foreigners here - in fact my wife is quite depressed these days as her father has re-married and is now expecting a baby, this baby will be 28 years younger than it's older sister (my wife^^*). So, she is depressed yet, everyone is handling it in a very normal way. |
There's a huge difference between being sad about something and having clinical depression.
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Come on people, throw out the judgemental closet racism crap. |
How about Korean society doing that? In 30 years involvement with this country, I've seen some improvement but not all that much. |
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Banana_Man
Joined: 01 Mar 2010 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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It may not be clinical but she is not just sad as you suggest - this has been on-going depression for over 3 years now, made worse by the baby.
Also just because (you think) Korea is judgemental (and it is your opinion, not one I share) doesn't mean you should be too - are you a child? Mommy, Korea did it first it's not my fault.  |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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No, I'm not a child. And, no, I did not say I was being judgmental and racist, let alone doing so because of Korean society. What I suggested, something anyone with even remedial reading skills could've grasped, was that Korean society needs to quit being so judgmental and racist. It's not exactly a secret that Korean society isn't too amenable to issues of mental illness nor is it a secret that racism is prevalent here. |
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Banana_Man
Joined: 01 Mar 2010 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe Korean society hasn't changed as much as you think it should because so many people have been coming here and badmouthing the culture, food, mannerisms, dress sense and just about everything else under the sun.
--->Edited because I don't want to be petty and fight over the internet - I was too harsh with my child comment. Sometimes, people disagree, I disagree with you and you probably disagree with me^^* Many people do^^*  |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Sody wrote: |
when you are in Korea, you will be expected to take a lot of alcohol. Drinking alcohol, especially soju, is how many Koreans break the ice and are friendly. You have to drink. |
I'm not really a drinker and have managed to avoid it most of the time with polite refusals.
At most I would have a small glass of beer if cajoled. |
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