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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: No US Military folks allowed in Zen Bar |
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| I went out to Zen Bar a few weekends ago and I noticed a sign that denied US servicemen entry. Is there any particular reason for this (a singular event? or simply their collective reputation?) and how would this be enforced? I mean, not all servicemen really look the part. Is this fairly common in Seoul? I don't party that much. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Could you give a bit more information about that sign, such as if it includes the words "By Order of the Installation Commander" or words to that effect? My guess, though, is that the bar's been placed on the off-limits list. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Could you give a bit more information about that sign, such as if it includes the words "By Order of the Installation Commander" or words to that effect? My guess, though, is that the bar's been placed on the off-limits list. |
Sorry, my memory of that night is a bit foggy. I don't think it was anything official sounding. It might have been written up by the bar. But I hadn't thought of a standing order or anything like that--it could have been one of those and Zen put up their own sign?
The sign was something closer to, "American military is not allowed to come in". |
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DeMayonnaise
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Could you give a bit more information about that sign, such as if it includes the words "By Order of the Installation Commander" or words to that effect? My guess, though, is that the bar's been placed on the off-limits list. |
Sorry, my memory of that night is a bit foggy. I don't think it was anything official sounding. It might have been written up by the bar. But I hadn't thought of a standing order or anything like that--it could have been one of those and Zen put up their own sign?
The sign was something closer to, "American military is not allowed to come in". |
I took a picture of the sign last time I was there...it says:
* Sorry! US Army
No! Entrance!
It's written in black pen on some orange construction paper. It's enforced inside where they check your ARC card. I don't think Military people get ARCs
It's the same logic as to why Military have a curfew, Team America MPs patrol Itaewon and why a lot of other bars don't allow military...they're modedits who start a lot of modedit and nobody wants them around. I'm guessing they had problems with some military guys in the past and decided to not let any in. Seems pretty straightforward to me. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| DeMayonnaise wrote: |
| they're modedits who start a lot of modedit and nobody wants them around. |
You mean besides the South Korean gov't, right? |
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Zilong
Joined: 17 Apr 2010
Location: Broseidon's Lair
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought UFSK had a general permanente ban on enlisteds in Hongdae |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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The off-limits policy does not make a distinction between commissioned officers and enlisted personnel: if a place is off-limits, it's off-limits for all the military personnel.
Places that forbid entrance to all military just for the fun of it very well may be using the so-called reason that DeMayonnaise mentioned but that's just prejudice, pure and simple.
The reasons establishmenets are placed on the off-limits list by the installation commander include under-age drinking (i.e., military members under the age of 21 are consuming alcohol on the premises--the US military here are subject to a regulation that has a higher drinking age than that stated in Korean law), prostitution, and force protection. According to this PDF link from USFK, Hong-ik and Hong-dae are off-limits from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. every day. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds like it was motivated by the owners of the place and not the USAF Korea. Maybe there was a fight there. Or do soldiers channel bad energy into hightly spiritual places like that. |
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Captain Obvious
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| This just goes to show why the US military should just go home and leave South Korea to fend for itself. |
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jboney
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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It's probably nothing official.
It probably just means "no black people". |
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thomas pars
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Not all service men are bad. Just like not all ESL teachers are bad. It just takes one bad scene to influence people's minds. So remember that the next time you go out. |
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mayorgc
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I heard they check passports because military usually don't have passports with them. |
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teretere
Joined: 26 Mar 2010
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Hmmm
Last edited by teretere on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:25 am; edited 1 time in total |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Obvious wrote: |
| This just goes to show why the US military should just go home and leave South Korea to fend for itself. |
Except of course for the fact that the governments of both countries consider it in the best interests of both countries for the US military to be here.
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The last time I was at a "military heavy" bar in Hawaii, I was:
1. Punched in the neck for dancing with a grunt's sister
2. Had water thrown over my head for dancing with another guy's female "friend"
3. Had 2 black and 1 white marine shove me out of the way for leaning against their table
Needless to say, I'm not fond of US military so this sign wouldn't bother me at all. |
Three incidents and what was the common denominator? Maybe it wasn't the military guys.
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| I heard they check passports because military usually don't have passports with them. |
USFK military members are not required to have a passport to enter the Republic of Korea; however, their family members are. SOFA status civilian employess of the US government assigned to Korea also are required to have passports and the passports are annotated that they are in Korea with SOFA status. |
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rickpidero
Joined: 03 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: ya |
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| Went here the other day, saw the sign, took a picture because I thought it was really funny. They didn't check my ARC or anything, but I'm pretty skinny and have shaggy hair. |
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